A question about original sin.

[Minimalist]

Hate to be the one to break this to you, Frods, but Epi nailed your ass with that comment.

[fr0d0]

I completely agree with the bit he didn't get ass backwards. Funny he thinks he's pinning that on me.

[C Rod]

Jesus was foretelling the very imminent end of the world...

Why do you think that? He said how hard will it be for a rich man to get in to heaven. He said you cannot serve both God and money. He said for what ever you do for one of these...(grasping mercy, compassion, and help) Matthew 25:31-46. Do not store up for yourself treasures on earth. Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head. If you want more ask me. Deny this life and this life is the very acknowledgement and gain of materials through the use of money. In all his parables he speaks as it is going to be a time of judgement in which your judged for doing good or bad things for whatever reasons. When did he say work was pointless? If we do not do things with time given then how are we to be judged for things we did. Why did you come to that conclusion despite the evidence, why did you reason against the bible despite what it truly says? Tell me what you think is good and tell me what influenced you be it whatever you please.
Old things need to be considered, your choice. The false dichotomy conclusion is wrong because Christianity is a belief and rest on principles, one which being "poor" is a goal and thus what else can be compared to this, what i can see naturally in people as the desire for things and their justification and satisfaction in them but what else is there that you can bring up to rebuttal but another belief like mine so as to prove more positions. It was one reason to believe not the sole reason and because of this exact reason i find Christianity more fascinating and true.
And this post was not even to you but to the acknowledgement of a quote that showed faith in Christianity is evil because it condemns people who wish not to have faith or can not because of justification or they just cant. And thus the rest of the post was reasoning to have faith.

[The Grand Nudger]

Cmon C, when you post on a forum, its a pretty open conversation. Tell you what though, you stop insisting that god is real without any evidence, and I'll stop explaining to you that he isn't with evidence.

[C Rod]

Cmon C, when you post on a forum, its a pretty open conversation. Tell you what though, you stop insisting that god is real without any evidence, and I'll stop explaining to you that he isn't with evidence.

Back from my "trip" no really i left for OK for two days. It is a pretty open discussion but you seem to not understand the Bible like i do. You just had a way different interpretation of the scripture kinda like me with science and all the assumptions im supposed to believe. How can we be so different aren't we reading the same book?

[The Grand Nudger]

Such is the trouble with religion. Whats seems a flowery description of paradise to you is a hell to me. In all likelihood it has to to with upbringing CRod. It's probably fair to say that we weren't expecting the same things from the bible. I picked it up like any other book, expecting it to be a book. I wasn't searching for fulfillment, or a deeper knowledge of god. Is it surprising that we didn't notice the same passages?

(No one "understands the bible like you do", not your pastor, not your mother, father, not your lover, for each of you it is a personal experience...that has to be said.)

[C Rod]

Such is the trouble with religion. Whats seems a flowery description of paradise to you is a hell to me.

Your mind is why i came on this forum. To understand what is different.

[The Grand Nudger]

Lol, I do actually have some thoughtful "interpretations" of the bible, but I rarely get to play with them. Most of the attention the bible gets from me on these forums is really attention on some claim the OP has made with the bible as his rock solid exhibit A.

[Godscreated]

You know, speaking of time, of all the things laboriously mention in the account of genesis, time isn't one of them. Sure, days and nights, ways of describing the passage of time, but time itself, curiously absent. Mostly because the people who perpetuated these stories had a very fuzzy concept of time itself. Did it need creating? They don't seem to be certain, since there is always a "time before time" in their cosmology.

(Not many koalas in genesis either, wonder why that is)

"In the beginning God created," just how did you manage to read past the third word in the Bible. Guess it must have snuck-up on you real fast.

[The Grand Nudger]

In the beginning of what? God is timeless is he not, existing before the earth and man and all that jazz. Classic dreamtime myth, it is what it is. If god existed before time, then there was a "time before time", if time began when god created the earth, then all of the time before that was the time before time. I think I see our disconnect GC, I'm just reading the damned book, you're reading into it. Perhaps you and Frodo should have this conversation. He's of the opinion that genesis is not a literal account of creation (he's right), that its a narrative to do with function and purpose (also right), I know you'd blow a gasket, but he comes back full circle for you, in that the function and purpose somehow involves god (and there's the left turn into fantasy land).

I'd even take frodo off ignore to watch you two settle it, the True Doctrine, once and for all.