How Catholic was Hitler?

[Anomalocaris]

Vegetarians have the same problem.  They, like you, will have to learn to fucking get over it.

Yep and Stalin was an atheist but unlike our theist friend here, I won't deny it. But in accepting he was, does not mean I value monsters like him, it just means denying that fact would be delusional.

It simply bothers theists that an atheist can do good and be good. They need to feel entitled as if they own a patent on goodness. But to be fair, all religions have followers that feel this way.

Interestingly, Stalin is the product of a seminary. He might be an atheist, but who knows how much of his craft he learned from the church.

Heinrich himmler was also no Christian and certainly no catholic. But he designed much of the pomp and ceremonies of his SS to imitate catholic rites and ceremonies, because he admired how well those were designed to encourage blind obedience against own better judgement.

[Minimalist]

Churches always attempted to monopolize schools.  What better way to indoctrinate the young?

[CatholicDefender]

You people are retards and illiterates. Smarten up!

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_perse...in_Germany

2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_views_on_Catholicism

3.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_resistance_to_Nazi_Germany

[J a c k]

You people are retards and illiterates. Smarten up!

Lol

How catholic is CatholicDefender?
/thread

[Harry Nevis]

^ Pretty sure Pius XII was worried about not being killed or turned into a lampshade/bar of soap as well as stopping Catholics from being persecuted.

So he instead just criticized the regime and its policies in veiled ways.

Veiled ways?! Hey, whatever makes you feel better.

[TheBeardedDude]

As a devout Catholic, I have some real problems with people saying Hitler was "one of us"

It is extraordinarily shameful and embarrassing to hear that kind of shit coming from peoples lips, and quite frankly not even correct.

First of all, I don't think Hitler was an atheist. He said much to the effect of God being on his side, though I think he meant more destiny and the universe rather than Jehovah himself.

True he was baptized into the Catholic Church in his little town in Austria. But practically all gentile Austrians at that time were Roman Catholic. If Hitler were born in Denmark, he would have been Lutheran, and Anglican if he had been born in England.


What Im saying is one's degree of adherence and respect for one's faith surely matters instead of none at all. 

Hitler didn't even reference his love for the Catholic faith when on the campaign trail, more just his reverence for Jesus/Christinaity in general (I suppose it was must given how a slight majority of Germany was Protestant at the time .)

Kind of terrible that he basically won the Christian vote, but that is a topic for a different time.

Did he ever evidence Catholic devotion outside of the campaign trail/public events? Did he and Eva Braun, the woman he lived in sin with ever go to bible studies or say the rosary? Id love to see any evidence that they actually did.

There were plenty of Catholic shrines in occupied Europe at the time. Why didn't the Nazis ever organize pilgrimages to see them in stead to their drunk,degenerate icons such as Horst Wessel and others?

My main point is that Hitler's nominal Catholicism was incidental, as opposed to the driving force behind his anti-semitism and shiftiness in general.

Nazism was at its core a materialistic philosophy, concerned with the material only as opposed to the spiritual. What it wanted was just the supremacy of the Nordic (Northern European race), the enslavement of the Eastern Europeans to achieve that end, and the elimination of European Jewry( apparently a liberalizing, cosmopolitan force.)

I am fairly certain the source of Nazi anti-semitism was not the Traditionalist Christian variety, but the more modern version of the Zionist/Rothchild cabal of world finance  trying to undermine and destroy the "Goy"  .

I don't believe he viewed the Pope as a friend, and he and many high ranking Nazis were frustrated and suspicious of the Catholic Church, since it was an entity that they could never control (unlike those poor fragmented Protestant ones.)

I believe one has to somewhat adhere to Catholic doctrine in order to be a Catholic in a meanginful, serious way.

Is there any evidence Hitler's Catholicism was something he took seriously and loved, or was it just some sort of tribal identification which he never gave much of a thought (the latter is depressingly common in todays Catholic world.)

For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9H7aWgPv8

I sure hope those nuns weren't sent to Dachau!

"For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? "

Not like the history of the Catholic Church and the lineage of Popes is a particularly peaceful one...

[Ravenshire]

You people are retards and illiterates. Smarten up!

I see you've been reading your Carnegie.

[The Valkyrie]

You people are retards and illiterates. Smarten up!

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_perse...in_Germany

2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_views_on_Catholicism

3.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_resistance_to_Nazi_Germany

What's the matter, little man?

Did the big mean atheists not blindly accept your assertions?

[Amarok]

As a devout Catholic, I have some real problems with people saying Hitler was "one of us"

It is extraordinarily shameful and embarrassing to hear that kind of shit coming from peoples lips, and quite frankly not even correct.

First of all, I don't think Hitler was an atheist. He said much to the effect of God being on his side, though I think he meant more destiny and the universe rather than Jehovah himself.

True he was baptized into the Catholic Church in his little town in Austria. But practically all gentile Austrians at that time were Roman Catholic. If Hitler were born in Denmark, he would have been Lutheran, and Anglican if he had been born in England.


What Im saying is one's degree of adherence and respect for one's faith surely matters instead of none at all. 

Hitler didn't even reference his love for the Catholic faith when on the campaign trail, more just his reverence for Jesus/Christinaity in general (I suppose it was must given how a slight majority of Germany was Protestant at the time .)

Kind of terrible that he basically won the Christian vote, but that is a topic for a different time.

Did he ever evidence Catholic devotion outside of the campaign trail/public events? Did he and Eva Braun, the woman he lived in sin with ever go to bible studies or say the rosary? Id love to see any evidence that they actually did.

There were plenty of Catholic shrines in occupied Europe at the time. Why didn't the Nazis ever organize pilgrimages to see them in stead to their drunk,degenerate icons such as Horst Wessel and others?

My main point is that Hitler's nominal Catholicism was incidental, as opposed to the driving force behind his anti-semitism and shiftiness in general.

Nazism was at its core a materialistic philosophy, concerned with the material only as opposed to the spiritual. What it wanted was just the supremacy of the Nordic (Northern European race), the enslavement of the Eastern Europeans to achieve that end, and the elimination of European Jewry( apparently a liberalizing, cosmopolitan force.)

I am fairly certain the source of Nazi anti-semitism was not the Traditionalist Christian variety, but the more modern version of the Zionist/Rothchild cabal of world finance  trying to undermine and destroy the "Goy"  .

I don't believe he viewed the Pope as a friend, and he and many high ranking Nazis were frustrated and suspicious of the Catholic Church, since it was an entity that they could never control (unlike those poor fragmented Protestant ones.)

I believe one has to somewhat adhere to Catholic doctrine in order to be a Catholic in a meanginful, serious way.

Is there any evidence Hitler's Catholicism was something he took seriously and loved, or was it just some sort of tribal identification which he never gave much of a thought (the latter is depressingly common in todays Catholic world.)

For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9H7aWgPv8

I sure hope those nuns weren't sent to Dachau!

"For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? "

Not like the history of the Catholic Church and the lineage of Popes is a particularly peaceful one...

Catholics have been brutal to each other forever

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You people are retards and illiterates. Smarten up

Or how about you smarten up and stop peddling bullshit . And accept the fact Hitler was a catholic . Then accept the fact it does not matter that he was a catholic .

[Rahul]

"Long-buried Vatican files reveal a new and shocking indictment of World War II’s Pope Pius XII: that in pursuit of absolute power he helped Adolf Hitler destroy German Catholic political opposition, betrayed the Jews of Europe, and sealed a deeply cynical pact with a 20th-century devil."

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/1999/10...xii-199910