Does Modern Science Owe Its Existence to Religion?

[The Grand Nudger]

Not half as scary as the ignorance that pours forth from every thread you get involved in. For someone so fond of squeezing the words logical syllogism into any post possible, I find it surprising that you can't be depended upon to police your own arguments.

[Statler Waldorf]

Not half as scary as the ignorance that pours forth from every thread you get involved in. For someone so fond of squeezing the words logical syllogism into any post possible, I find it surprising that you can't be depended upon to police your own arguments.

More talk from rhythm....Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I am still waiting for those two syllogisms you said you could provide for the existence of E.T. and multi-verses.

I shouldn't have to hold your hand through it. The whole "can you define a long post" is just proof that you are being willfully obtuse in order to waste my time and make yourself feel like you are being bullied.

Not so at all. I have received messages saying, "Could you please use hide tags more", and then messages from you saying, "Could you please use hide tags less". Soooooooo, the natural thing to do is ask, "Ok, exactly what is a long post and what is a short one?" Forgive me for asking for clarity so I can follow your rules. You can’t have invisible lines in the sand for people to not cross, now that you have actually clarified things, there will not be any more issues.

[The Grand Nudger]

You've been waiting for what was provided long ago. I gave you the bare bones If A and B then C. I assumed you needed a refresher, since you were unaware that mathematical theories can form the body of a logical argument. I also explained that even armed with this argument, we would still need to provide data, we would need observations confirming the theory. Logic only gets you so far.

[Statler Waldorf]

You've been waiting for what was provided long ago. I gave you the bare bones If A and B then C. I assumed you needed a refresher, since you were unaware that mathematical theories can form the body of a logical argument. I also explained that even armed with this argument, we would still need to provide data, we would need observations confirming the theory. Logic only gets you so far.

...and I correctly pointed out that you were flat out wrong. Mathematical theorems and formulas are not logical proofs. Mathematical theorems and formulas can be created just as easily for things that don’t exist as things that exist. So you said you had logical proof for E.T. and multi-verses, I want to see this in the form of actual logical proof. Or can you not do this?

Logic can only get you so far? What are you filling the gaps with?

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Well Rhythm,

Sadly I am logging off for the evening, and I have to coach at an XC camp until Wednesday. So I am sure you will miss me dearly, but I will be back :-P Take care.

[Epimethean]

Is that a Boolean joke, Stat?

[downbeatplumb]

Logic can only get you so far? What are you filling the gaps with?

Oh the irony.

[LastPoet]

I think the main problem here is that statler just don't have mirrors in his home

[Anomalocaris]

I think the main problem here is that statler just don't have mirrors in his home

WouldN't help if he did. He sees through opaque contact lenses made from mulched bible.

[The Grand Nudger]

I was hoping to avoid this massive amount of cut and paste with the generic abc example. I assumed that you would understand where you where incorrect without me dictating it to you.

(Major Premise)
N=R*fs*fp*ne*fl*fi*fc*L

(Minor Premise)-We could use each of these as their own premise, and of course we should, I've done this for ease of posting
R=20
fs=0.1
fp=0.5
ne=2
fl=1
fi=0.01
fc=0.01
L=10,000

(Conclusion)
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I could write this instead as If A and B then C, or:

The Drake equation is valid
The variables we have determined are correct
There are ten detectable extraterrestrial civilizations within the Milky Way. (-1 for ourselves)

You see, numbers can be used to avoid unclear or malleable wording. If numbers could not be used to create a syllogism you would be unable to respond to this post from your PC. (let it sink in)
You can use numbers to represent anything at all you wish to say. Think of them as a common foreign language. In the end it doesn't matter if I use words, numbers, or colored shells the idea is represented as a syllogism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra_(logic)

Here's a great article for you

http://www.kerryr.net/pioneers/boolean.htm

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Do you still need the multi-verse or can you build that yourself? Note that I do not believe in aliens. I accept the possibility that they could exist. If we ever find an alien I'll link you the wiki. Have fun while you're away.

[The Grand Nudger]

WB Statler. Here's another link for you...because I;m generous. Man there's a lot of math here, I hope your head doesn't explode.

http://www.math.psu.edu/simpson/papers/philmath/

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And yet more math.
http://faculty.matcmadison.edu/alehnen/w...gproof.htm