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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 9:29 am
(November 14, 2017 at 9:23 am)pool the matey Wrote: (November 14, 2017 at 9:15 am)mh.brewer Wrote: pool, humans made it, humans put it there. Either on purpose to fool people or through misadventure. If misadventure (i.e. shipwreck) then it's possible that humans died. There is no miracle here.
I don't mean like God literally put it there but like any number(if not thousands, or even zillions) of things could've happened but out of all those possibilities we found it, and now we have it, that's a miracle in and of of itself if you ask me. 😊
So it's a god miracle when humans find any shipwreck at sea where there is an artifact found? Or is it limited to god statues?
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 11:13 am
(November 14, 2017 at 9:29 am)mh.brewer Wrote: (November 14, 2017 at 9:23 am)pool the matey Wrote: I don't mean like God literally put it there but like any number(if not thousands, or even zillions) of things could've happened but out of all those possibilities we found it, and now we have it, that's a miracle in and of of itself if you ask me. 😊
So it's a god miracle when humans find any shipwreck at sea where there is an artifact found? Or is it limited to god statues?
Don't know. I think our very existence itself is akin to a miracle.
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 12:41 pm
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Perhaps listing the things you -don't- consider to be a miracle would save time? That a person who see's the miraculous everywhere finds some inanity of the mundane to be a miracle is hardly surprising...but not exactly informative.
What could be more boring than the default state of everything which you are aware of? Does the fact that a mountain exists truly excite you? Or would it be more exciting if, where there was once a mountain..it suddenly ceased to be? Which of the two, in your opinion, is more likely to require a miraculous explanation?
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 3:04 pm
(November 13, 2017 at 2:28 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(November 13, 2017 at 11:27 pm)pool the matey Wrote: That's one of the most condescending things I've ever seen 😮
That's what I was going for 
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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(November 14, 2017 at 8:49 am)pool the matey Wrote: Whateverist Wrote:So you pretty much always thought God was a thing but wondered if you could use the 'rationalizations' others gave for not believing to distance yourself from the irksome parts of god belief? You tried it out but could never shake the idea that you were doing something wrong and the big Guy would kick your ass if you didn't get back in line?
Truth be said, at one point I just dropped the concept of a God entirely.
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(November 14, 2017 at 8:49 am)pool the matey Wrote: Whateverist Wrote:I'd like to help you escape your God belief but I don't really know how to disprove God for you. Would you like it if it were possible? Is that why you're here?
It's okay, I'm not really looking for someone to help me "escape God", this forum helped me better my english, learn many things about logic, many different arguments, different political beliefs and many other things. This is not the only forum I'm in, I'm in other forums too and from everywhere I learn new and different things. This is just a learning experience for me, when I learn more about atheistic arguments it also helps me form arguments defending my own belief.
Imagine that, a theist with an enquiring mind. Looks like I was right about our generalizations about the infantilizing effects of god belief being taken with a good measure of salt. It isn't literally true that you all want to be put over God's shoulder and burped. Even though I've met a few here for whom it was nearly true, it would be silly to generalize too much here.
(November 14, 2017 at 8:49 am)pool the matey Wrote: Whateverist Wrote:Good luck.
Good luck to you too, you're a awesome person.
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 4:20 pm
Are you ok with it being possible that God does not exist, or is that a super scary prospect to you? I mean, isn't it the comfort that you get out of your beliefs that really matters most? Whether heaven is actually real or not, it never ceases to be real for believers because they never find out they're wrong when they die. The way I look at it, there's not much real difference between heaven actually being real, and a person merely having the belief that heaven is real. If a religious person dies believing in heaven, that means that heaven is real for their entire existence, and never stops being real, because they just never find out.
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 7:39 pm
(November 14, 2017 at 2:40 am)pool the matey Wrote: (November 14, 2017 at 12:47 am)Cyberman Wrote: Bold mine:
Seriously? Because I can make a bloody good guess and I'm willing to put money on it.
Let's hear it 🙂
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 14, 2017 at 10:29 pm
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Do you believe it is possible that in certain instances the protected status of this sub forum can be open to abuse?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 15, 2017 at 12:06 am
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Khemikal Wrote:Which of the two, in your opinion, is more likely to require a miraculous explanation?
If a mountain suddenly poof vanished that'd be pretty miraculous
(November 14, 2017 at 3:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (November 13, 2017 at 2:28 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(November 13, 2017 at 11:27 pm)pool the matey Wrote: That's one of the most condescending things I've ever seen 😮
That's what I was going for
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RE: Ask a former atheist
November 15, 2017 at 12:12 am
(November 13, 2017 at 12:23 pm)pool the matey Wrote: * I had a experience. Not sure if I can call it "near death experience" but I could've died but I didn't, I was saved. Sorry I can't say what it was but at that time I thought I would die but it felt unnatural like someone wanted to save me.
I get the feeling, and won't deny how remarkable certain experiences/observations can be to the point that something possibly supernatural may be happening instead of just sheer coincidence. But why jump to God for explanation rather than just think this is a mystery what happened to you and you don't know what is behind all this but it's nevertheless remarkable? For all you know, it could be extraterrestrial aliens that saved you, or demons, or super AI from the future, or other powerful beings that aren't necessarily omnipotent.
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