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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 15, 2011 at 8:45 am
(August 15, 2011 at 8:40 am)Rhythm Wrote: Imaginary friends and cosmic theme parks.
The 'mind' is truely a wonderous and dangerous place ...nes pas??
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 15, 2011 at 1:09 pm
(August 14, 2011 at 10:38 pm)C Rod Wrote: Wait... but come to the conclusion of "crazy" and ask for physical evidence of the metaphysical. Is your god not all-powerful? Why can't he materialise and make himself physical for us to behold so there would be no atheists? Look up the logical fallacy of untestability sometime C Rod.
If you can't provide an ontological argument for the existence of God, then clearly, you have nothing.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 15, 2011 at 2:34 pm
(August 15, 2011 at 1:09 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: (August 14, 2011 at 10:38 pm)C Rod Wrote: Wait... but come to the conclusion of "crazy" and ask for physical evidence of the metaphysical. Is your god not all-powerful? Why can't he materialise and make himself physical for us to behold so there would be no atheists? Look up the logical fallacy of untestability sometime C Rod.
If you can't provide an ontological argument for the existence of God, then clearly, you have nothing. Absolutely WC. We can't let the immaterialists get away with it. If the immaterial can bootstrap material universes from nothing, maintain them, listen to our utterances, intervene and perform miracles (thereby interact with matter/energy), fiddle with DNA, implant souls in our bodies, stop planets orbiting etc; there is no reason to suspect that the immaterial cannot be physically detected. Infact the xtian delusion is built entirely on the claim of witnessing a supposed supernatural intervention into the natural order. There is nowhere to hide behind here for those who assert the immaterial exists, if true the immaterial can clearly 'come out and play' in the material world and we can witness it and measure it's effects, even if we just count the reanimated zombies. The other possibility of course is that the immaterial does not exist after all and that is why we cannot see it, prove it, measure it, detect it, and that claimed miracles or ghosts or whatever are nothing but hoaxes or a highly suggestive mind being played upon, or wish thinking by credulous individuals. I wonder which one is the simpler explanation....?
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 15, 2011 at 5:41 pm
(August 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm)C Rod Wrote: We see death and we see that it is final. But i want to know what the experience is like, the actual death.
There's only one way for you to find out, CRod. Only one.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 15, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Did you leave that revolver lying there beside CRod, I_Blaspheme, or was it an extra left behind by Judas?
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 16, 2011 at 3:43 pm
(August 15, 2011 at 10:32 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Did you leave that revolver lying there beside CRod, I_Blaspheme, or was it an extra left behind by Judas?
Certainly wasn't me. No way would I leave a perfectly good revolver out where a toddler like CRod might find it.
On the other hand, I might have had something to do with the rope...
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 17, 2011 at 10:06 pm
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(August 15, 2011 at 1:09 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: (August 14, 2011 at 10:38 pm)C Rod Wrote: Wait... but come to the conclusion of "crazy" and ask for physical evidence of the metaphysical. Is your god not all-powerful? Why can't he materialise and make himself physical for us to behold so there would be no atheists? Look up the logical fallacy of untestability sometime C Rod.
If you can't provide an ontological argument for the existence of God, then clearly, you have nothing. Why should God reveal himself? If that happened, would every single person believe and not go against God if the world stayed as is? The story of God is not just a notion but an understanding of what is good, a story of what is right. I think the premise of eternal souls does not come to a mere notion proven but a constant action of character.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 17, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Word salad and bullshit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 17, 2011 at 10:27 pm
(August 15, 2011 at 5:41 pm)I_Blaspheme Wrote: (August 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm)C Rod Wrote: We see death and we see that it is final. But i want to know what the experience is like, the actual death.
There's only one way for you to find out, CRod. Only one.
I had something else to say here, but I promised myself I'd be nice today. So is it a mystery? That moment of death.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 17, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Would you rather know or wonder?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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