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August 24, 2011 at 7:27 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 7:32 am by Godnose.)
(August 24, 2011 at 7:11 am)Ace Otana Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 2:23 am)Godnose Wrote: What's so great about atheism anyway? I know it's "The Truth" and everything, but so what? We atheists keep going on about the awful things done in the name of various religious cultures, but atheism hasn't exactly been all sweetness and light. The whole USSR thing was atheist wasn't it? And they had those lovely gulags with which to teach their people "The Truth". Isn't the Chinese regime atheist too? Life there hasn't exactly been a bed of roses for free thinkers, has it?
Nah, there's nothing special about atheist. Being right about science and existence and stuff doesn't necessarily make you right about the really important things. Make the whole world atheist, there would still be wars and slaves and rapes and oppression and all the other shite. Why would it change just because no-one thinks there's gods any more? Could well even make things worse...
There you go. Chew on that!
Right....
Atheism has got fuck all to do with politics, science, law making or any other nonsense.
I beg to differ. As I said just now to Thwoth, with knowledge comes responsibility, and atheism in my view represents a form of knowledge. So, IMO, the sheer fact of knowing, as an atheist, that most of the population of the world is held in thrall by various forms of lying bigotry, makes it my moral duty to try and do something about it. I accept some (eg you) might see that as me "laying a trip" on you that may well be so ... [heck, just got some very real-seeming deja vu] - AND MY FLIPPING CURSOR'S DISAPPEARED AGAIN --- ... Tough!
Quote:Stalin was a sick fuck, end of.
Atheism is simply the position or stance if you will on the claim that theists have put forth. You have many many many fucking times confused atheism for something else. IT'S JUST LACK OF BELIEF IN GAWD OR GAWDSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's got FUCK'ALL!!! to do with anything else! Bloody hell man!
No (wo+)man is an island
Quote:Now what's so great about atheism: There's no dogma, no tenets, no church, no demands, no expectations and no funny stupid crazy bullshit beliefs.
Agreed.
Quote:Atheism is just a point of view, that is it. Add anything else to it and you are no longer talking about atheism. End of.
That's just copping out. If one takes that attitude one might as well be a duck turd.
August 24, 2011 at 7:32 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 7:37 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(August 24, 2011 at 5:54 am)Godnose Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 4:25 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 4:19 am)Godnose Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 4:16 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I like mine with milk large mug (Irish ancestry I think) and you can bring it out to the terrace darlin'
Do you like it frothy? I gotta great frother ma'am.
You do?? WONDERFUL!! Then I will have a Vienna-latte with added double-cream and choc-cinammon please.
Here is your coffee ma'am. I also took the liberty of adding a couple of Viennese slices, for your delectation. And I so apologise for having taken soooo long ma'm, and please excuse me if I don't sit down.
(I'm British you know)
No need to appologise my dear. Us Aussies have understood the british for at least 200 years.
Viennese slices? How thoughtful!
But my dear we ARE an island... at least in our own minds. THIS and this alone make the "moral responsibility" of the atheistic among us a most difficult task.
Have you ever HAD to access a fragile mind?? Because this battle is all 'In the mind' where the heart holds sway...yeah poetic non-sense I am aware but.... we ARE dealing with people...they are NOT logical nor do they want to be.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Quote:I beg to differ. As I said just now to Thwoth, with knowledge comes responsibility, and atheism in my view represents a form of knowledge.
Ok, what knowledge? How is lack of belief considered a form of knowledge? Please enlighten me.
Quote:So, IMO, the sheer fact of knowing, as an atheist, that most of the population of the world is held in thrall by various forms of lying bigotry, makes it my moral duty to try and do something about it.
Knowing? I don't know jack shit. I'm 99% sure it's all shite but I don't have absolute knowledge on it. There is no "moral duty". Being an atheist simply means being without belief in a god or gods. That is it.
Quote:That's just copping out.
Hardly, atheism is one thing and one thing alone. One who is without belief in god's existence. That is all.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
August 24, 2011 at 7:35 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 7:41 am by Godnose.)
(August 24, 2011 at 7:18 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: so where is my Vienna Latte?
I'm sure I brought it ma'am. Along with a couple of Vienna slices. But excuse me, I have your vid to watch. (And I'll still have to watch it standing up, I'm afraid)
August 24, 2011 at 7:40 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 7:42 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(August 24, 2011 at 7:35 am)Godnose Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 7:18 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: so where is my Vienna Latte?
I'm sure I brought it ma'am. Along with a couple of Vienna slices. But excuse me, I have your vid to watch. (And I'll still have to watch it standing up, I'm afraid)
My apologies also (that you have to stand and that I have taken so long to type) please refer to previous post 19:32)
We are "Uninvited" the issue is to wait til we ARE...nes pas??
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
August 24, 2011 at 7:45 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 7:47 am by Godnose.)
(August 24, 2011 at 7:40 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 7:35 am)Godnose Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 7:18 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: so where is my Vienna Latte?
I'm sure I brought it ma'am. Along with a couple of Vienna slices. But excuse me, I have your vid to watch. (And I'll still have to watch it standing up, I'm afraid)
My apologies also (that you have to stand and that I have taken so long to type) please refer to previous post 19:32)
We are "Uninvited" the issue is to wait til we ARE...nes pas??
Um, I think we are in different time zones. Do you have the post number? Sorry to be a nuisance.
August 24, 2011 at 8:03 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 8:05 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(August 24, 2011 at 7:45 am)Godnose Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 7:40 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 7:35 am)Godnose Wrote:
(August 24, 2011 at 7:18 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: so where is my Vienna Latte?
I'm sure I brought it ma'am. Along with a couple of Vienna slices. But excuse me, I have your vid to watch. (And I'll still have to watch it standing up, I'm afraid)
My apologies also (that you have to stand and that I have taken so long to type) please refer to previous post 19:32)
We are "Uninvited" the issue is to wait til we ARE...nes pas??
Um, I think we are in different time zones. Do you have the post number? Sorry to be a nuisance.
Post #32
If you had accessed my profile you would have found I am in Perth Western Australia...time now is 20:03
which is another beef I have ..why don't people put WHERE they are on their profiles...it isn't as though I can just walk down the street to harrass you ya know.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Quote:I beg to differ. As I said just now to Thwoth, with knowledge comes responsibility, and atheism in my view represents a form of knowledge.
Ok, what knowledge? How is lack of belief considered a form of knowledge? Please enlighten me.
Oh do come on! You know perfectly well that God, Allah, all the rest of 'em are made up. You know it. That's knowledge.
Quote:
Quote:So, IMO, the sheer fact of knowing, as an atheist, that most of the population of the world is held in thrall by various forms of lying bigotry, makes it my moral duty to try and do something about it.
Knowing? I don't know jack shit. I'm 99% sure it's all shite but I don't have absolute knowledge on it.
You are just being silly. You don't have ABSOLUTE knowledge about anything.
Quote: There is no "moral duty".
Aha. So the Xtians are right then to say you think as an atheist you have the right to rape children and eat human flesh. Okidoke, enjoy!
Quote: Being an atheist simply means being without belief in a god or gods. That is it.
Quote:That's just copping out.
Hardly, atheism is one thing and one thing alone. One who is without belief in god's existence. That is all.
Meaningless garbage to justify a complete cop-out. Get back under your duvet.
August 24, 2011 at 8:26 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 9:11 am by Ace Otana.)
Quote:Oh do come on! You know perfectly well that God, Allah, all the rest of 'em are made up. You know it. That's knowledge.
No, I don't KNOW it. I don't know whether a god exists or not. I simply lack belief in such a thing.
Quote:Aha. So the Xtians are right then to say you think as an atheist you have the right to rape children and eat human flesh. Okidoke, enjoy!
You sound more and more like a typical Christian fanatic. You are a troll and I stand by my actions as a mod. Atheism has nothing to do with anything, even morality. This doesn't make me immoral. I can guide myself perfectly well.
Quote:Meaningless garbage to justify a complete cop-out. Get back under your duvet.
You have a huge misconception of atheism.
It is not an atheist's responsibility to do anything. An atheist is simply one without belief in god. If you can't get that, I don't think you ever will.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
August 24, 2011 at 8:51 am (This post was last modified: August 24, 2011 at 9:01 am by Godnose.)
(August 24, 2011 at 7:32 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: But my dear we ARE an island... at least in our own minds. THIS and this alone make the "moral responsibility" of the atheistic among us a most difficult task.
I don't say it's easy. I do say it's necessary.
Quote:Have you ever HAD to access a fragile mind?? Because this battle is all 'In the mind' where the heart holds sway...yeah poetic non-sense I am aware but.... we ARE dealing with people...they are NOT logical nor do they want to be.
Um ... er ... I think that is kinda what I was trying to say when I was going on (and on (and on(...))) elsewhere (in other threads) about wanting to form a kind of atheist church-like thingy-whatsname. Like ... er ... you gotta sort of join 'em to sort of beat 'em (or "woo" them would perhaps be a better word than "beat")
My OWN mind gets a bit fragile sometimes, btw. Logic is not my strong point, and I get confused quite a lot. But I'm pretty sure I'm right that leaving the world in the condition it is presently in is not the kindest thing to do for my grandchildren... So I feel kinda obliged to at least try...
On the subject of coffee by the way, I remember once when I was a kid of 16-ish or so, wandering around Bromley (that's on the edge of South London) one night I was accosted by some Jesus Freaks (er, I think they called themselves "Children of God" actually) and dragged off to their den "for coffee" where loads of other kids were rapping at each other (not "rapping" like rapping today, but like heavy talking. This was way back in the '60s) about the love of Jesus. Some twit kept asking me "Have you taken Jesus into your heart?" and I kept telling him I didn't have the foggiest notion what he was talking about - etc. Anyway, the point is, this "coffee" that I had been tempted there by was absolute utter filthy CRAP and I'd had a couple or five of pints (and nips too I think - I had a sort of recipe to get arseholed on, involved guinness, wine, bitter, and a nip in some order or another... wha'eva) so of course I quite happily told them so (that the coffee was crap I mean - not that I was totally sloshed - I guess they could sorta tell that probly). But anyway, I started going on about this crap coffee, like "if this Jesus fellah is such a fvcking brilliant teacher why doesn't he teach you lot to make a decent cup of coffee?" and so on. I remember someone saying something like "Well, it's free, so you can't complain" and of course I immediately started offering to pay them for a decent one ... and I wound some geezer up so much he took a flippin' swipe at me! Me a pacifist and wotnot (like one is at such a tender age). Ha ha ha - I floated outta there on the highest possible fvcking moral ground I could possibly imagine (at that age) and proudly displayed that bruise for the next week or so... proudly telling everyone I could how I'd got given it from a Jesus Freak! Tee hee!
Sorry about that. That kinda stuff is much quicker to remember than to relate!
(August 24, 2011 at 8:26 am)Ace Otana Wrote:
Quote:Oh do come on! You know perfectly well that God, Allah, all the rest of 'em are made up. You know it. That's knowledge.
No, I don't KNOW it. I don't know whether a god exists or not. I simply lack belief in such a thing.
Quote:Aha. So the Xtians are right then to say you think as an atheist you have the right to rape children and eat human flesh. Okidoke, enjoy!
You sound more and more like a typical Christian fanatic. You are a troll and I stand by my actions as a mod. Atheism has nothing to do with anything, even morality. This doesn't make me immoral. I can guide myself perfectly well.
Quote:Meaningless garbage to justify a complete cop-out. Get back under your duvet.
You have a huge misconception of atheism.
It is not an atheist's responsibility to do anything. An atheist is simply one without belief in god. If you can' get that, I don't think you ever will.
Then there is absolutely no point anyone having any kind of discussion with you on any subject, because whatever the subject you will always be able to cop out on the basis of your nihilism or whatever fancy name you choose to give it.
