CNN: No one cares about Russia

[John V]

They blinked because the optics worked against them. It was a politically expedient decision.

Yep, immigrants aren't a great selling point.

I'm unsure why you think it has any bearing on Mueller's investigation, other than you simply trying to muddy the waters.

I was just fucking with her for the vacuous denial comment.

[Tiberius]

It's been a year. How many indictments are there regarding Russian interference in the election?

0.

Do you understand how investigations work? It's not over yet. Saying there have been 0 indictments so far therefore there's likely never going to be any, is the same logic as saying "well I haven't died yet, so I'll likely never die".

We're not talking about some petty crime where there's CCTV and the cops recognize the perp. This is a massively complex investigation that could take another year to complete, who knows. When it's over, if there's 0 indictments regarding Russian interference, then you can say with confidence that there wasn't any within the Trump campaign. I'll even say it with you! Until then, we wait.

[John V]

The thing about these "unrelated" crimes is that they become leverage to get people to talk as part of their plea deals. This is Criminal Investigation 101.

Yes, yet after a year there's still nothing on point.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yep, immigrants aren't a great selling point.

I know, right?



Xenophobia sells ... humaneness, not so much ...

[Tiberius]

People should care about Russia, which is why the media continue to report on it. If the media just reported on things that people cared about, we'd be reading fluff stories everywhere.

The mere possibility that a foreign power, and a historic adversary at that, could have possibly interfered with our election process is bad for our democracy.

Maybe if the media would stop bungling their Russian collusion stories more people would give their reporting some credibility. The media doesn't like Trump and they always seem to be in a rush to crucify him....and they fuck up.

OK, but ignoring those instances, do you at least agree that the possibility of Russian interference in our election is a bad thing. Note that I'm not inferring Trump had anything to do with it, let's not complicate things. Russian interference in our election process: bad for democracy and bad for the US, yes?

[CapnAwesome]

It's true. All these left wing people just suddenly started caring about Russia in the last 18 months. Plus continually ignore that we (by which I mean the Clinton administration) openly colluded with Boris Yetsin to influence their election and bragged about it afterwards.

They are so quick to point out every little evil in America, but are so outraged by the Russians.

[John V]

OK, but ignoring those instances, do you at least agree that the possibility of Russian interference in our election is a bad thing. Note that I'm not inferring Trump had anything to do with it, let's not complicate things. Russian interference in our election process: bad for democracy and bad for the US, yes?

"Interference" is too broad a term.

If they're hacking into electronic voting systems, then obviously that's bad.

If someone hacks into a particular politician's (or party's) computers and releases damaging information, I personally don't have a problem with it.

Lots of foreign leaders openly supported Hillary. Is that interference?

[Thumpalumpacus]

The thing about these "unrelated" crimes is that they become leverage to get people to talk as part of their plea deals. This is Criminal Investigation 101.

Yes, yet after a year there's still nothing on point.

There's nothing they've revealed publicly, yet. I think the operative phrase is "not tipping your hand".

Again, this is CI 101. Information is the currency of trade. Perhaps you honestly are unaware of this, but I think this is more whistling in the dark. Anyone who's followed Mueller's career and knows his reputation -- and anyone who understands the makeup of his investigative team -- knows what they're going after: Trump's ties to the Russian underworld, ties which seem likely to me to have been the avenue for the collusion.

If you'd rather cover your eyes and remain ignorant of the details, great. But I'm an American citizen too and I have every right to know whether (as it appears) Russia tampered with our election. I'm much more worried about that than partisan politics.

[CapnAwesome]

Maybe if the media would stop bungling their Russian collusion stories more people would give their reporting some credibility. The media doesn't like Trump and they always seem to be in a rush to crucify him....and they fuck up.

OK, but ignoring those instances, do you at least agree that the possibility of Russian interference in our election is a bad thing. Note that I'm not inferring Trump had anything to do with it, let's not complicate things. Russian interference in our election process: bad for democracy and bad for the US, yes?

We just overthrow democratically elected leaders of we don't like them. Our democracy is no special sacred thing that is the only one that can't be interfered with. If we minded out own business and weren't so actively involved in world events, I'd say fuck them for interfering, however they didn't vote rig, stage a coup or anything like that.

I'd say Hillary Clinton's network of secrets and shady stuff is bad for American democracy. We had a right to know what was revealed.

[The Grand Nudger]

Call me when anyone reveals Hillary Clintons network of secrets and shady stuff, lol?

It's not as if there weren't non-wingnut conspiracist reasons not to vote for her......I cant even......fucking a-Murica.