Hell is the sun?

[Cyberman]

Of course Hell is not the Sun. What a ridiculous notion.

It's not hot enough !!

An oldie but still a goodie:

THERMODYNAMICS ACCORDING TO ISAIAH

The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed.

Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26, describing Heaven: Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days.

Thus, Heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the Earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty-nine) times as much as the Earth does from the sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the moon is 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation.

Using the Stephan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation, we have (H/E)4 = 50 where E is the absolute temperature of the Earth, 300 K (27 C). This gives H, the absolute temperature of Heaven, as 798 K (525 C)! (For old-fashioned Americans, that’s close to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Your kitchen oven won’t get nearly that hot.)

The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed. However, Revelation 21:8 says: But the fearful and unbelieving… shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. A lake of molten brimstone (or sulphur) means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6 C (above that point, it would be a vapour, not a lake). We have, then, that Heaven, at 525 C, is hotter than Hell, at less than 445 C.

So who says that the Bible has no accurate and useful scientific data?

Sol, for comparison, is a little balmier than that. Take a portable fan.

[Ravenshire]

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I have stumbled upon these remarkable details regarding "Hell"; and I think I have an imaginary scientific illustration of it.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_Earth

Note; that this post is literally a group of verses from the Quran; along with the scientific expectations of the future of earth.
Let's begin.
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-The Awakening:

Humans will go extinct, according to this verse:

Sura 39, The Quran:
( 68 )   And the Horn will be blown, and whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth will fall dead except whom Allah wills. Then it will be blown again, and at once they will be standing, looking on.

If any humans survived until the moment of "the blowing of the horn", they will meet the end of their lives when it happens.
After the first blow, a second blow will take place; and people shall be once more.

Sura 50, The Quran:
( 20 )   And the Horn will be blown. That is the Day of [carrying out] the threat.
( 21 )   And every soul will come, with it a driver and a witness.
( 22 )   [It will be said], "You were certainly in unmindfulness of this, and We have removed from you your cover, so your sight, this Day, is sharp."

We will be judged for our deeds. Trialed; for every bit of action we commit once, every word, every look. The judgment day is described by God in the Quran to be "a day that makes the children's hair go grey".

All humanity will kneel in Hell. But wait a second: how did we jump from the above line, to hell?

The kneeling of humanity in hell:

Sura 19, The Quran:
( 68 )   So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.
( 69 )   Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.
( 70 )   Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.
( 71 )   And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.
( 72 )   Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

We didn't jump. We are already standing in hell.
The Sun will turn into a Red Giant (see the wikipedia article); and it will turn earth into a scorched piece of rock until it eats it.

We are resurrected on earth. We will kneel on earth. But in that day; it's nothing but a piece of rock being cooked by hell.
God describes hell to fuel on "rocks" and "man". Both work as fuel for it:

Sura 2, The Quran:
( 23 )   And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful.
( 24 )   But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

Red Giants fuel on other planets, and any material suitable to be fuel -like people-. When the fuel of the dying star end; it turns into a black hole -scientifically; the mass of the dying star must be big; bigger than the sun to turn into a black hole-.

God described the stay of the guests of hell, to last for "eras":

Sura 78, The Quran:
( 18 )   The Day the Horn is blown and you will come forth in multitudes
( 19 )   And the heaven is opened and will become gateways
( 20 )   And the mountains are removed and will be [but] a mirage.
( 21 )   Indeed, Hell has been lying in wait
( 22 )   For the transgressors, a place of return,
( 23 )   In which they will remain for ages.
( 24 )   They will not taste therein [any] coolness or drink
( 25 )   Except scalding water and [foul] purulence -
( 26 )   An appropriate recompense.

We know that water exists on earth. We know that lava exists on earth; too.
Ancient Arabs used the word "water" to describe any type of liquid. Maybe the water of hell's inhabitants is lava?

According to these verse,humanity would kneel in hell, then God will save those who did good deeds in their past life and believed in him.
If a non-believer chose life on earth over life in heaven; then they deserve to stay on earth; in the good and the bad. The bad is it being sucked by a red giant.

Then this verse will make total sense:

Sura 36, The Quran:

God says:
( 60 )   Did I not enjoin upon you, O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy -
( 61 )   And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path.
( 62 )   And he had already led astray from among you much of creation, so did you not use reason?
( 63 )   This is the Hellfire which you were promised.
( 64 )   [Enter to] burn therein today for what you used to deny."
( 65 )   That Day, We will seal over their mouths, and their hands will speak to Us, and their feet will testify about what they used to earn.
( 66 )   And if We willed, We could have obliterated their eyes, and they would race to [find] the path, and how could they see?
( 67 )   And if We willed, We could have deformed them, [paralyzing them] in their places so they would not be able to proceed, nor could they return.
( 68 )   And he to whom We grant long life We reverse in creation; so will they not understand?

The accuracy of the events is staggering. Especially the sucking of earth by hell.
Just like a red giant would suck earth.

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Why do you and MK insist on deluding yourselves that anyone here gives a flying fuck about anything in your "Great Big Book of Fucking Myths™?"

[WinterHold]

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I have stumbled upon these remarkable details regarding "Hell"; and I think I have an imaginary scientific illustration of it.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_Earth

Note; that this post is literally a group of verses from the Quran; along with the scientific expectations of the future of earth.
Let's begin.
========================

-The Awakening:

Humans will go extinct, according to this verse:


If any humans survived until the moment of "the blowing of the horn", they will meet the end of their lives when it happens.
After the first blow, a second blow will take place; and people shall be once more.


We will be judged for our deeds. Trialed; for every bit of action we commit once, every word, every look. The judgment day is described by God in the Quran to be "a day that makes the children's hair go grey".

All humanity will kneel in Hell. But wait a second: how did we jump from the above line, to hell?

The kneeling of humanity in hell:

We didn't jump. We are already standing in hell.
The Sun will turn into a Red Giant (see the wikipedia article); and it will turn earth into a scorched piece of rock until it eats it.

We are resurrected on earth. We will kneel on earth. But in that day; it's nothing but a piece of rock being cooked by hell.
God describes hell to fuel on "rocks" and "man". Both work as fuel for it:


Red Giants fuel on other planets, and any material suitable to be fuel -like people-. When the fuel of the dying star end; it turns into a black hole -scientifically; the mass of the dying star must be big; bigger than the sun to turn into a black hole-.

God described the stay of the guests of hell, to last for "eras":

We know that water exists on earth. We know that lava exists on earth; too.
Ancient Arabs used the word "water" to describe any type of liquid. Maybe the water of hell's inhabitants is lava?

According to these verse,humanity would kneel in hell, then God will save those who did good deeds in their past life and believed in him.
If a non-believer chose life on earth over life in heaven; then they deserve to stay on earth; in the good and the bad. The bad is it being sucked by a red giant.

Then this verse will make total sense:
The accuracy of the events is staggering. Especially the sucking of earth by hell.
Just like a red giant would suck earth.

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Why do you and MK insist on deluding yourselves that anyone here gives a flying fuck about anything in your "Great Big Book of Fucking Myths™?"

I'm reading the posts, but waiting to gain a little strength to go through the comments. Eh; I can't multitask. So it gets frustrating sometimes.
But this needs immediate response; hell !

First of all; this is a forum that discusses religion. So it's quite...normal to find samples of so many different faith and religions; with an atheist domination; since the discussion ground is given and managed by atheists.

Second; a theist will come here as either a missionary (want to convert others), or as a (debater). Both wish if others convert; but the debater actually discusses; while the missionary is playing gymnastic to gain followers. Some missionaries convert others with swords; some by tricks and words. Tricks like "paying poor people charity; embedded with religious calls"; cough cough; Roman Catholic Church; Cough Cough.

Third; as a "debater"; I have to argue that I have a main goal here, to discuss what I believe in, and ruin the plans of the Sunni/Shiite religious institutions. You heard that right: I will debate and discuss why the world is silent to the support of the British Empire to Arabian warloads who fought the Ottomans and caused Mecca to drench in blood; why America arm and support terrorist Islamic militants just like we saw with Operation Cyclone, why the oppresive Sunni/Shiite religious institution is supported by the west.

So; there are many reasons for me to be here. But mainly; I'm here as a "debater"; not as "a missionary". So frankly I don't give a damn about you converting or not. I wish it; but I don't care.

Now; as a debater; a person who discusses "Islamic stuff" in an "Islamic section" in a "debate website managed by atheists -hence its name-": what is your opinion about the op?
You can say spam, you can say ********, you can bash me and call me a pedophile, you can talk about me doing things with goats...etc. Pick.

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One more thing, add it to the third: I think that Sunni/Shiite Islam and Hadith books, are the problem with Islam today. If you believe in the Quran alone; you will see a very very different Islam. I want people to begin calling things for what they are" a Sunni Muslim is a "Sunni Muslim". A Shiite Muslim is a "Shiite Muslim". The sect must be added to the religious choice; because any serious reading will show that these versions are not the same thing.

[The Grand Nudger]

The sun is explicitly referenced a few dozen times in the quran.  Hell, a little more than twice as many times.  When magic book wants to bullshit you about either item, it can...and does so...explicitly.  Not once are the two said to be the same thing, and it would take a depth of ignorance regarding judeo-christian mythology to assert as much that nearly defies belief.  

There is no mention of the sun, whatsoever, in any of the verses you cited. Not only are you abjectly wrong in this conclusion...you are strongly implying that magic book is a total crapshoot that can't say what it means, or mean what it says...requiring your wikipedia decoder ring and some bullshit about red giants and lava to be properly interpreted. Worse still, is that nothing about your torturous interpretation of magic book has any basis in fact regarding red giants, the earth, or humanity sitting upon it one day when this rock is engulfed. You got the entire thing wrong...from both ends. How did that happen?

Tell me more about how the shia and the sunni got it all wrong? Tell me more...about how you believe in the quran alone? Tell me more about a "serious reading"?

[Angrboda]

Which is hotter the core or the surface of the sun?
The core is something like 15 million degrees C, and the corona is at something like 2 to 4 million degrees. The corona is hotter than the surface of the sun, but not as hot as the core (where thermonuclear fusion reactions are taking place,which keep the sun "alive").

Why the corona is hotter than the surface of the sun is still an unsolved mystery.

[Cyberman]

It's because the sun's up. It's always hotter on a sunny day.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I can't remember seeing relativity in the Quran.

E=MC Mohammedᴾᴮᵁᴴ?

[chimp3]

Doesn't the Koran say the sun sets in a swamp?

[polymath257]

So hell is the source of energy for life on Earth?

Cute.

ED: Well, except for some life around deep sea vents.

[chimp3]

So hell is the source of energy for life on Earth?

Cute.

ED: Well, except for some life around deep sea vents.

Modern day life ?