Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book

[Banned]

A classic misrepresentation of the Bible.

This wasn't pedophilia.

God instructed that the Midianites be wiped out entirely, but the Jews made a presumptuous mistake and kept the women and children, as well as the animals etc.

Verse 16, explains what part the Midian women had in making child sacrifices to Baal, which were the male children at the time.

The heathen nation had a system, now several generations old, where young men were raised to either war, or Baal worship which we won't go into detail here. But it was horrific and cruel, and the whole population was so affected, that every child born to them, had an irreversible predisposition to commit evil, and would be raised in a society which guaranteed bloodshed, of one type or another.

The decision was then made by God to keep the female children, which had the least likelihood of reenacting the crimes of the parents.
Because the males which were alive were already selected by the Midianites through the fire test, which was a selection process which ensued that the males which had any spiritual inclination towards God were killed.
That initiation process was orchestrated by Satan, whom they worshiped indirectly by the god Baal.

In the Baal system, the girls would follow the examples of their mothers and be passive to Baal worship, but now that they had been captured alive, the decision was made to raise them in Jewish families.
By the new education, it would hopefully become apparent to them with age, what their biological parents had gotten in to.

It was not an invitation for your perverse idea of pedophilia.

But like millions of others, you have chosen ignorance and rebellion against the truth, so what you have said about the Bible is worth nothing, except a record against your name, which will stay on record, unless you decide otherwise.

[John V]

A sane person will not believe in this. A sane person will never justify this.
This is explicit. This is straight language, talking about "the soldiers of God" being allowed to enslave and do whatever they like to children.

What's explicit and straight is that they kept female virgins alive. What's explicit in other parts of the law is that such captives were made wives with full rights and could not be treated as slaves.

When I read such passages, I assume that they waited until any girls below marriageable age reached such age.

The assumption that they raped children is a product of your own sick mind.

[chimp3]

Sheep trying to justify the actions of wolves. Love it!

[The Grand Nudger]

"I'm so grateful to you, Uri, for killing my family and burning my village and taking me as loot.  Be mine forever! "

[WinterHold]

God exists, and he himself "allowed it" to happen, but he didn't "order" people to do it.
Instead; he ordered them not to. That's the concept in the Quran.

God created both good and evil, and even inspired humans to do -and produce- both, but inspiring is different than order. I have Quranic verses that prove my point.

But these bible verses "order the believers" to commit pedophilia. And mentioned it to be "a normal thing" that is also "an example". That would tell me a lot about what I might suffer from if a "Christian believer" waged war on me. Tells me too why the Catholic church is full of pedophiles -if these were the verses they believe to come from a divine source-.


And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones


It seems that the attacks that targeted "the little ones" were ordered by God himself. The Quran never mentioned such a thing. The Muslims who do so; are:
1-Taking Christians as example.
2-Take the Hadith as a source

So again;Brian:where is similar explicit verses in the Quran?

Hello, McFly.........

You keep missing my point. Stop assuming I am singling you or your religion out. I am pointing out a COMMON social norm that existed worldwide BACK THEN. But even today there are still those in India, in Asia, in the Americas, in Africa that look to their holy writings to justify marriage at a young age.

I could care less if you were a Christian, if nobody is supposed to get married until the age of 18, BACK THEN, then why isn't that clear in any holy book? BECAUSE BACK THEN humans were ignorant. The western modern value of allowing kids to grow up before taking on adult responsibilities is a result of technology and social stability, not the writings of antiquity. Not yours not any. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage  <------ The concept of bartering females as "child brides" is not unique to Islam, but there is nothing in the Koran either that demands no sex till the age of 18. 

I am NOT singling you or your religion out. My argument is the same with all religions "That was then, this is now."

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Modern human psychology and psychiatry are better ways of explaining what a child is capable of understanding and not understanding and why there is no consent between a young kid and an adult. You don't need a holy book of any label to understand that.

Yes; but where are the explicit verses from the Quran that encourage child marriage?
I want direct explicit verses, like the biblical ones.

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A classic misrepresentation of the Bible.

No. It's "reading the bible" using the common meanings we know. If there's another language I'm not aware of; please guide me to its source book.

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A sane person will not believe in this. A sane person will never justify this.
This is explicit. This is straight language, talking about "the soldiers of God" being allowed to enslave and do whatever they like to children.

What's explicit and straight is that they kept female virgins alive. What's explicit in other parts of the law is that such captives were made wives with full rights and could not be treated as slaves.

When I read such passages, I assume that they waited until any girls below marriageable age reached such age.

The assumption that they raped children is a product of your own sick mind.

The verse said:

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

It told them to keep the children for themselves. Explicitly.

[GrandizerII]

Muhammad was married to Aisha while she was still really young ...

[Minimalist]

I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

Um, I really did try to read it but it is just drivel.  Pointless shit.  Pretty much on a level with the bible.

[WinterHold]

Muhammad was married to Aisha while she was still really young ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

This matter can be concluded with these lines from the wikipedia article; in my opinion:

ccording to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached puberty at the age of nine or ten years old.

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Some traditional sources disagree. Ibn Hisham wrote in his biography of Muhammad that she may have been ten years old at the consummation.[11] Ibn Khallikan, as well as Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi citing Hisham ibn Urwah, record that she was nine years old at marriage, and twelve at consummation.[26]

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Muslim authors who calculate Aisha's age based on the more detailed information available about her sister Asma estimate that she was over thirteen and perhaps between seventeen and nineteen at the time of her marriage.[28]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-28][/url]

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Why do criticizers of Islam, cherry-pick a single opinion that Aisha was a child during marriage, knowing exactly, that there was other opinions by the Sunni scholars? these opinions were ancient, before the modern age; but they cited that Aisha was 17-19 at marriage.

Why the cherry-picking, and not the honest intellectual citing of all opinions?

Not to mention; that all have nothing to do with the Quran..

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I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

Um, I really did try to read it but it is just drivel.  Pointless shit.  Pretty much on a level with the bible.

Frankly; I called for God -if he exists- to help me understand it before reading, and I believe he did.
I just open it randomly and start reading whichever verse I find in my sight. I also rarely read the history said to represent that era; considering that may explain the context of some verses. I trust it with a 50% or even less sometimes.

There is where I found the severe contradictions inside the Sunni/Shiite sects.

[robvalue]

I have read a lot of the Quran; and I mean starting from the beginning and reading all of it, not just reading some favourite parts over and over.

It's an indoctrination manual right from page 1, gleefully damning all non-Muslims to torment at frequent intervals. I had suspected it wouldn't be as bad as the bible, but after reading, I think it's worse. It's a very focused document right from the start, as opposed to the mish-mash of random stories in the Old Testament.

[Banned]

A classic misrepresentation of the Bible.

No. It's "reading the bible" using the common meanings we know. If there's another language I'm not aware of; please guide me to its source book.

You don't need to know another language, just be honest with the one you've got.

BTW "Keeping children for themselves" is not a green light for abuse, not in the English language, and not by society, and not in that historical record.

If you want to deal out scripture, at least have the courtesy to use English by it's grammatical norms.