I will become Atheist if.....

[The Grand Nudger]

We have gotten back and forth. You are right in that there was no point. I've heard the same things before, and we have discussed this endlessly here. I don't know why opened this topic except like a bad addict, can't stop.

There won't be a point to them until you can muster up a little honest self awareness, or engage in your own chosen line of questioning in good faith...at least.  Do you value that.....? Does your god?

[Aegon]

We have gotten back and forth. You are right in that there was no point. I've heard the same things before, and we have discussed this endlessly here. I don't know why opened this topic except like a bad addict, can't stop.

Thank you for reminding me why I never bother to enter the religious debates on here anymore.

[Mystic]

We have gotten back and forth. You are right in that there was no point. I've heard the same things before, and we have discussed this endlessly here. I don't know why opened this topic except like a bad addict, can't stop.

There won't be a point to them until you can muster up a little honest self awareness, at least.  Do you value that.....?  Does your god?

Let's just end it. 

I don't think you guys can really perceive what I am saying just like you guys think I can't perceive what your saying.

It's a vicious cycle. Both think each other as fools.

If you are right, we will never know. And if I am right, boy, one day we will know.

These discussions have been rehashed over and over again. They will start and end the same way.

[Edwardo Piet]

I get the feeling the guy who is telling MK all the answers is on his ignore list

[Mystic]

We have gotten back and forth. You are right in that there was no point. I've heard the same things before, and we have discussed this endlessly here. I don't know why opened this topic except like a bad addict, can't stop.

Thank you for reminding me why I never bother to enter the religious debates on here anymore.

I wish I would stop. It's a bad addiction on my part. Waste too much time.

[brewer]

Only an hour old and 7 pages in, pass.

MK, you need to convince yourself. It ain't up to us or anyone else. It's totally on you bud. 

And I doubt the thread is helping you.

[Mystic]

Only an hour old and 7 pages in, pass.

MK, you need to convince yourself. It ain't up to us or anyone else. It's totally on you bud. 

And I doubt the thread is helping you.

You are right. At the end, the same is true of the other way.  If you are to know God, don't wait on Theists to prove, if you still care to know if he exists or not.

[The Grand Nudger]

Let's just end it. 

Pandora wanted to close the box, too.

I don't think you guys can really perceive what I am saying just like you guys think I can't perceive what your saying.

I think you could...you just wont.  Your comment about being an addict is informative in this regard....like a common junkie -everything- makes you think god.  

It's a vicious cycle. Both think each other as fools.

I think that your head has been fucked with, you don't have to be a fool to have been taken advantage of.  It happens to the best of us.  Or so I'm told, I'm not one of the best of us, lol. 

If you are right, we will never know. And if I am right, boy, one day we will know.

You;re doing it again.  "We can never know if you're right..but you'll be sorry whn you find out I am".  Yeah..no.  There isn't one set of rules for mystic and then another for everyone else.  You asked for justifications.  You got them.  Are you now an atheist or were you always a self deceiving god addict?  

These discussions have been rehashed over and over again. They will start and end the same way.

...they don't have to...you insisted that they could end some other way......

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I don't understand how people don't understand that human beings hold value by default. Just... being alive and experiencing stimuli is enough. You don't need to qualify it or prove it. It's strange to me that people feel that they have to.

I don't cede value to anything or anybody without reason.

[Aegon]

I don't understand how people don't understand that human beings hold value by default. Just... being alive and experiencing stimuli is enough. You don't need to qualify it or prove it. It's strange to me that people feel that they have to.

I don't cede value to anything or anybody without reason.

There's a difference between you personally valuing something and something having value.