The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts

[WinterHold]

What does "natural" mean? Hasn't God pre-programmed everything?

I'm afraid what you're saying makes no sense to me. At least, it's no excuse for god's actions. There's torture because he wanted torture. Is there some sort of restriction God had to work around? What's the point of any of this anyway? We're just actors in his theatre that he decided would be self-aware.

His restriction is righteousness and balance; in their purest and most perfect form.

Look at these verses:

Sura 55, The Quran:
( 1 )   The Most Merciful
( 2 )   Taught the Qur'an,
( 3 )   Created man,
( 4 )   [And] taught him eloquence.
( 5 )   The sun and the moon [move] by precise calculation,
( 6 )   And the stars and trees prostrate.
( 7 )   And the heaven He raised and imposed the balance
( 8 )   That you not transgress within the balance.
( 9 )   And establish weight in justice and do not make deficient the balance.

He created the balance and chose it as means for his rule. Whichever comes first: the choice or the creation.
That's God's standard if you asked me. For evil; their must be good. For rich; there must be poor. Eat a lot; you get fat.

That's how I see it. And that's what the verse taught me at least:respect the balance and you'll succeed.

If you ask me why we exist; I'll directly answer: because the balance dictates so. God chose it as a standard.

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Nope if god chooses to create a universe with disasters he's as evil as a gang who tortures people . And no  the bullshit excuse that there is a super secret hidden meaning is just that . By that logic any criminal could say "i had a super secret reason to murder 22 people therefore you can't find me guilty . If i would not believe him why would i believe a god .

In your human perspective they are disasters.
In the perspective of others entities, they are the givers of life.

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I can't figure out what atlas is trying to say, he seems to be simultaneously claiming that God is behind everything; but there's some other force at work or some inevitabilities which remove responsibilty from God. Mind you, that is the most common mindset I encounter.

No, there is other force; I assure you

[The Grand Nudger]

I'll try to remember to face east and pray to moon god the next time a storm tears down part of the us...for all the wonderful things it does for rats and cockroaches.

[Amarok]

In your human perspective they are disasters.

In the perspective of others entities, they are the givers of life.

Lol so you just repeated the same excuse. It's no more compelling the second time .

[robvalue]

What does "natural" mean? Hasn't God pre-programmed everything?

I'm afraid what you're saying makes no sense to me. At least, it's no excuse for god's actions. There's torture because he wanted torture. Is there some sort of restriction God had to work around? What's the point of any of this anyway? We're just actors in his theatre that he decided would be self-aware.

His restriction is righteousness and balance; in their purest and most perfect form.

Look at these verses:

Sura 55, The Quran:
( 1 )   The Most Merciful
( 2 )   Taught the Qur'an,
( 3 )   Created man,
( 4 )   [And] taught him eloquence.
( 5 )   The sun and the moon [move] by precise calculation,
( 6 )   And the stars and trees prostrate.
( 7 )   And the heaven He raised and imposed the balance
( 8 )   That you not transgress within the balance.
( 9 )   And establish weight in justice and do not make deficient the balance.

He created the balance and chose it as means for his rule. Whichever comes first: the choice or the creation.
That's God's standard if you asked me. For evil; their must be good. For rich; there must be poor. Eat a lot; you get fat.

That's how I see it. And that's what the verse taught me at least:respect the balance and you'll succeed.

If you ask me why we exist; I'll directly answer: because the balance dictates so. God chose it as a standard.

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Nope if god chooses to create a universe with disasters he's as evil as a gang who tortures people . And no  the bullshit excuse that there is a super secret hidden meaning is just that . By that logic any criminal could say "i had a super secret reason to murder 22 people therefore you can't find me guilty . If i would not believe him why would i believe a god .

In your human perspective they are disasters.
In the perspective of others entities, they are the givers of life.

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I can't figure out what atlas is trying to say, he seems to be simultaneously claiming that God is behind everything; but there's some other force at work or some inevitabilities which remove responsibilty from God. Mind you, that is the most common mindset I encounter.

No, there is other force; I assure you

It sounds like God decided on those restrictions of "righteousness and balance", rather than them being things that restrict him in the first place. Either way, it's a pretty twisted interpretation of those words to see torture as part of them; especially for the "crime" of not being a Muslim and daring to live one's life as one sees best. Oh, and of course, we have no choice whether we are a Muslim or not because God already decided, so there's absolutely nothing righteous about that. Someone who enjoys torturing his hapless creations is hardly likely to be honest about it in his manual, is he? He'll write whatever excuse he wants.

Speaking of which, I've already mentioned how you've invalidated every conversation that ever happens as being a pre-written dialogue by God. We're all just characters in his story, saying what he wants us to say. But he's really obsessed with meta-stories, I've noticed. Not only does he write that some people worship him (narcissist) and that those who don't get tortured (sadist, egotist); but he's written you as a character who discovers he is indeed a character in a story, by reading things in a book within the story.

And he's written me as a character who discusses, within the story, the fact that another character has discovered they are a character in the story by reading a book within the story. Did God write inception? Oh, of course he did. He wrote everything.

[The Grand Nudger]

-except when he's just a force.

[robvalue]

-except when he's just a force.

Hmm, a force who writes torture-porn.

If I was God, and I was compelled to include torture in a story I was writing, I would decide against making the characters in the story come to life and be aware. I'd just write my little story, for whatever reason, and read it to myself. I'd take a little God-damn responsibility.

Of course an abuser is going to say ”so and so made me do it!" instead of just admitting that they enjoy seeing people being tortured. Pretty damn pathetic that a God needs to that, and actually includes these transparent excuses as part of the same torture-porn story. He writes me as a character who tears apart these excuses too. Weird, huh?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's what being isolated for an eternal stretch of time will do to ya.

[Edwardo Piet]

OMG..how did I miss reading this verse?

Sura 24, The Quran:
( 58 )   O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not [yet] reached puberty among you ask permission of you [before entering] at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the night prayer. [These are] three times of privacy for you. There is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these [periods], for they continually circulate among you - some of you, among others. Thus does Allah make clear to you the verses; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.

If the Quran is advocating pedophilia; how is it warning adults from exposing their bodies to children? and forcing a law on adults to raise their children to accept the privacy of grown ups?

Because, like other holy books, it likes to contradict itself?

Don't you see the problem with pointing to parts that says the opposite and basically saying "This part says the opposite!"?

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I can't imagine the mental burden of having to justify to yourself everything one of these books has to say. Life is hard enough as it is.

I think all religions should get together and mold it into one religion called Cherrypickers "R" Us.... where they treat all scriptures from all different religions as one big document and cherrypick so hard they make themselves believe all religions are compatible as one .

(Hmm... that would make a good comic fantasy novel I think).

That's the next step for religion! Wake me up 1000 years later when it's happened!

[WinterHold]

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AtlasS33 said:
No, there is other force; I assure you

Please accept my deep apologies, I forgot to say "there is no other force" instead of "there is other force".
I would never say that against my God; my belief is that he is "the only one force deserving to be called God".

It sounds like God decided on those restrictions of "righteousness and balance", rather than them being things that restrict him in the first place. Either way, it's a pretty twisted interpretation of those words to see torture as part of them; especially for the "crime" of not being a Muslim and daring to live one's life as one sees best. Oh, and of course, we have no choice whether we are a Muslim or not because God already decided, so there's absolutely nothing righteous about that. Someone who enjoys torturing his hapless creations is hardly likely to be honest about it in his manual, is he? He'll write whatever excuse he wants.

"Enjoyment" was never attributed to God; and it's not a valid trait. You assumed it in the picture you have for God in your mind.
The crime of not "following the word of God" has implications that touch all of humanity, and infect billions with misery and ruin.

I'll give an example with WW1 & WW2. Non-believers literally burned the world without any point of return; let's count what non-believers did:
1-literally piled up earth with ICBMs (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles) carrying nukes; aimed at almost every crowded place on earth
2-Created a corrupted economic system that is destined to fail from day one; made to make its makers -bankers for example- richer and the poor poorer
3-Cut the earth into countries and claimed ownership over them; with brute force deciding what a warlord owns.

God literally -literally- warned humanity from each and every one of those 3; also warned from more and more, under the rule of non-believers, earth becomes darker by every day, you can check Africa as an example.

In my opinion; non-believers today are the ones aiming a ballistic nuclear weapon at me -and at each other too !!-.
No wonder it's preached against.

Speaking of which, I've already mentioned how you've invalidated every conversation that ever happens as being a pre-written dialogue by God. We're all just characters in his story, saying what he wants us to say. But he's really obsessed with meta-stories, I've noticed. Not only does he write that some people worship him (narcissist) and that those who don't get tortured (sadist, egotist); but he's written you as a character who discovers he is indeed a character in a story, by reading things in a book within the story.

And he's written me as a character who discusses, within the story, the fact that another character has discovered they are a character in the story by reading a book within the story. Did God write inception? Oh, of course he did. He wrote everything.

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No; we have free will.
"Knowing", and "allowing", are very different than "doing". God "wrote" what you are going to do in your life based on your choices, God "knew" what you're going to do, God "allowed" it to happen, God "made it possible" to happen.

[SaStrike]

-except when he's just a force.

So he has a mass then.