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May 17, 2018 at 1:17 pm
This is a beautiful demonstration of how the shield and spear paradox plays out in a social setting.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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May 17, 2018 at 1:45 pm
(May 17, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ham, the question I asked you was: Would you support every single person being imprisoned in solitary cells their whole lives, if it would prevent anyone from getting raped/murdered ever?
From what I understand, your answer was yes. What am I misrepresenting?
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May 17, 2018 at 2:57 pm
(May 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Hammy Wrote: Wrong. A possible world without evil can be described. If God was morally perfect he would choose that one.
Lots of ideas for utopia have been proposed. For some reason none of them seem to work. Maybe you're aware of one that does.
<insert profound quote here>
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May 17, 2018 at 2:59 pm
(May 17, 2018 at 2:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (May 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Hammy Wrote: Wrong. A possible world without evil can be described. If God was morally perfect he would choose that one.
Lots of ideas for utopia have been proposed. For some reason none of them seem to work. Maybe you're aware of one that does.
The one without belief in god.
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May 17, 2018 at 3:25 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2018 at 3:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 17, 2018 at 2:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (May 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Hammy Wrote: Wrong. A possible world without evil can be described. If God was morally perfect he would choose that one.
Lots of ideas for utopia have been proposed. For some reason none of them seem to work. Maybe you're aware of one that does.
I doubt that a world without child rape would qualify as utopia by fiat...but it would be a start. What;s the problem? God can;t make the smallest effort in service of the common good?
We do it all the time. "Nah, lets sit back and let this kiddie fucker exercise his free will" said no cop ever. Even the fuckin criminals hate those guys............
I suppose it;s nice that they have god on their side, being isolated from everyone else.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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May 17, 2018 at 3:32 pm
Can God not design a world without tsunamis? Does free will require a deadly planet?
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May 17, 2018 at 3:33 pm
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Hows he supposed to punish gay coastal cities without them? Hurricanes? Psh, those just make the queerest parties on earth happen. We're out there buck naked doing a drunken maori war dance at the incoming sky.
Honestly, I think the lord of creation bit off more than he could chew when he breathed life into that lump of clay.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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May 17, 2018 at 5:09 pm
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(May 17, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ham, the question I asked you was: Would you support every single person being imprisoned in solitary cells their whole lives, if it would prevent anyone from getting raped/murdered ever?
From what I understand, your answer was yes. What am I misrepresenting?
You were misrepresenting me by quoting my answer out of context and then saying in your post that I was saying I'd rather choose solitary confinement than freedom of all kinds both good and bad.
Yes no child rape for everyone ever probably is a better alternative although it's a close one because a lifetime of solitary confinement is very bad indeed as well.
Again, what does this solitary confinement thing ever have to do anything? It has got nothing to do with free will... and yes I do think child rape is worse than solitary confinement but it's not like God has to choose between one or the other.
I already showed very clearly how you misrepresented me but you had already accused me of doing the same and when I asked you to clarify you didn't... because I have only ever claimed that you said the things that you actually said.
(May 17, 2018 at 1:45 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (May 17, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ham, the question I asked you was: Would you support every single person being imprisoned in solitary cells their whole lives, if it would prevent anyone from getting raped/murdered ever?
From what I understand, your answer was yes. What am I misrepresenting?
Hello?
Hi. I wasn't on AF at the time. I do have to do other things sometimes.
(May 17, 2018 at 2:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (May 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Hammy Wrote: Wrong. A possible world without evil can be described. If God was morally perfect he would choose that one.
Lots of ideas for utopia have been proposed. For some reason none of them seem to work. Maybe you're aware of one that does.
This is completely irrelevant.
Bah. Just to show again how you misrepresented me CL:
(May 17, 2018 at 12:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So for everyone else who may be reading and thinks the lifelong prison scenario wouldn't be a better option than allowing freedom (and all the good and bad that may come of such freedom)
That was your reaction to my answering "Yes" to the fact that a lifelong prison scenario for everyone would be better if there was no child rape in the world ever. It has nothing to do with it being "a better option than allowing freedom (and all the good and bad that may come of such freedom)".
Again, what was the actual point in bringing up the solitary confinement thing if after when I answer your question you just react to my answer like that as it I said anything of the sort? Do you think that solitary confinement is worse than child rape?
This is not the issue. God doesn't have to choose between child rape and solitary confinement. We're talking about God intervening to prevent a child rape here... we're not talking about God choosing between allowing child rape on the one hand and putting everyone in solitary confinement on the other hand.
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May 17, 2018 at 7:43 pm
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Ham, I'm still not sure I follow/understand your answer. It may be more simple to do it this way:
Option A: Everyone is born into solitary confinement cells where they spend the rest of their lives. As a result, no one ever gets raped or murdered, ever.
Option B: Everyone is born into freedom. As a result, some people will use their freedom to rape or kill others until/unless they are found out and locked up after the fact.
Which option do you choose?
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RE: Questions for "Our Role(s) as Christians on Atheist Forums"
May 17, 2018 at 8:47 pm
(May 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Hammy Wrote: Wrong. A possible world without evil can be described. If God was morally perfect he would choose that one.
Yeah, I don't think I would want to live in that world.
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