Illegal Immigrants

[Ravenshire]

And none of that supports your stupid fucking assertion that Carter gave it to Cuban refugees, or that there were ever any there.

Move the goal posts much?

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When you're a Trumpian Brown Shirt, the facts don't matter.

How old are you, 9 years old?  Haven't you ever heard of figure of speech?  https://quizlet.com/subject/terms-practi...-language/

Catering to the Cuban commies cost the US citizens Billions of dollars and took food out of their mouths.  And now some dummies want to roll out the red carpet for millions of illegal aliens to flood the country. 

 Since you seem to be mentally slow I used several figures of speech in my reply.

So, instead of backing up your claim, you double down on stupid and add some insults. About what I'd expect from a Trumpster.

Yes, I recognize figures of speech. Too bad what you were using was inflammatory rhetoric. And, you were wrong to boot. Way to go there, hero.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

How old are you, 9 years old?  Haven't you ever heard of figure of speech?  https://quizlet.com/subject/terms-practi...-language/

Catering to the Cuban commies cost the US citizens Billions of dollars and took food out of their mouths.  And now some dummies want to roll out the red carpet for millions of illegal aliens to flood the country. 

 Since you seem to be mentally slow I used several figures of speech in my reply.

So, instead of backing up your claim, you double down on stupid and add some insults. About what I'd expect from a Trumpster.

Yes, I recognize figures of speech. Too bad what you were using was inflammatory rhetoric. And, you were wrong to boot. Way to go there, hero.

Here's a hint if you're going to participate on public forums.  Let other people express their opinions.  If they piss you off instead of getting a stick up your butt simply put them on ignore.  You'll be much happier and so will they.  If you want someone to agree with you all the time then talk to yourself in the mirror.

[LadyForCamus]

So, instead of backing up your claim, you double down on stupid and add some insults. About what I'd expect from a Trumpster.

Yes, I recognize figures of speech. Too bad what you were using was inflammatory rhetoric. And, you were wrong to boot. Way to go there, hero.

Here's a hint if you're going to participate on public forums.  Let other people express their opinions.  If they piss you off instead of getting a stick up your butt simply put them on ignore.  You'll be much happier and so will they.  If you want someone to agree with you all the time then talk to yourself in the mirror.

Lol, no one is preventing you from expressing your stupid opinions, now are they?  Here’s a hint, if you don’t like people pointing out the dumb shit you say, don’t participate in online forums.

[downbeatplumb]

So an old friend posted this on Facebook. This could work.

I was thinking about the sudden immigration crisis and believe I have a solution. I’d get as many charter buses as I could And when these people show up, load the buses and start driving north. Release them at the Canadian border and make sure they keep going in that direction. Our friends to the north are quick to criticize so if they can do a better job, let them do it!

At the moment you are putting them in camps before deciding on a final solution.

WWHD.

[Mr.wizard]

Sigh 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-...527d6780b0

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Myths_and_..._pay_taxes

https://www.statista.com/chart/6129/how-...rants-pay/

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do...explainer/

See here's the thing, I don't mind fact checking and looking into the sources.  Reason being is that we live in a time now where people and organizations will use statistics in a purposefully obfuscating manner to hide what they don't want seen, and promote what they're looking to sell.  Huffpost of course has their agenda, the other sources were definitely more fair though.  So I will do a quick breakdown of each article, and give my synopsis at the bottom.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-...527d6780b0

CLAIM: Illegal immigrants DO NOT receive Children's Health Insurance, Disability, SNAP, health insurance via ACA, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Welfare.  They DO receive Emergency Medicaid, Schooling, Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (for low income pregnant women and children up to the age of five that are at nutritional risk).

This is true although they did leave out a little something.  Undocumented immigrants are also allowed to take advantage of the child tax credit, in fact in 2010 non citizens received $4.2 billion from this tax credit.  This is actually supported from your own fourth source.  Now to be fair, they did change that law the same year so that only filers with children with valid social security numbers could obtain these credits.  So I did a quick search to see how much those benefits have decreased, turns out in 2013 non citizens filed for $6 billion worth of child tax credits.  Source.

CLAIM: According to a 2010 report, undocumented immigrants pay $90 billion in taxes and only receive $5 billion in benefits.  Also in 2010 undocumented immigrants paid $10.6 billion in state and local taxes.

I included the source of their claim because because in all honesty I can find nowhere in their source that claims undocumented immigrants pay $90 billion in taxes.  In fact from what I've been able to pull together, they pay $23.6 billion in federal tax, $13 billion in Social Security, and $12 billion in state and local taxes.  I wasn't able to find any hard data on what they pay into Medicaid, but considering the tax rate is about a quarter of the rate for SSA, lets say they pay $3 billion into it.  That's a grand total of $51.6 billion.  And we already know that they receive at least $6 billion from Child Tax Credits, so it's safe to say they received more than $5 billion in benefits.  In fact, again from your own source it's estimated that undocumented immigrants actually receive $11.64 billion in benefits.

CLAIM: 50-75% of undocumented immigrants pay taxes.

False.  As I included in my last post, we know there are at least 11 million undocumented immigrants, of which only 4.4 million filed tax returns.  That is less than 50%.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Myths_and_..._pay_taxes

CLAIM: Illegal immigrants pay taxes

Again, a false truth.  Yes illegal immigrants pay taxes, a large portion (one could even argue a majority) do not.  It's the equivalent of saying "I pay my bills," when I only pay half of them.  Yes I pay my bills, just not all of them.  The stats that they use are the same that have already been discussed, so I won't go any further.

https://www.statista.com/chart/6129/how-...rants-pay/

This one doesn't go into too much detail, just tallies up what illegal immigrants pay in state & local taxes, which has already been discussed in previous .  Other than that it just confirms how much in benefits they receive.  And it also mentions a half truth that Donald Trump used when talking about the Child Tax Credit, which I already brought up in the response to the HuffPo article.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do...explainer/

Got no problem with this one, I actually used this for a few of my sources.




Total taxes paid into the US by illegal immigrants is roughly $51.6 billion across 11 million people.  US citizens paid $1.48 trillion in federal income tax, $846.2 billion in state taxes, 791.3 billion in social security, and roughly $197.8 billion, for a grand total of $3.3 trillion across 315 million people.  Now lets not forget that taxes and population of undocumented immigrants is part of that, so if we subtract it out we are really talking $3.26 trillion across 304 million people.

So where does this data get us?  If we divide the taxes paid by the amount of people, we get a rough dollar amount paid on average per capita.  For illegal immigrants, they are paying $4690.91 per capita.  For US citizens, they are paying $10,723.68 per capita.  So US citizens are effectively paying more than double in taxes.  Wait a second, that doesn't seem right.  Because it's not!  We didn't take into account that only 40% of immigrants filed federal tax returns, and those taxes include federal income tax, SSA, and Medicare which is roughly 75% of the total taxes paid.  That brings the average taxes paid for illegal immigrants down to $3,283.64 per capita.

Now lets bring it back to an effective tax rate between groups.  In my post about state & local taxes my sources indicated that illegal immigrants average roughly $30,100 per household with an average household size of 2.29 people.  US citizens averaged a much higher with an average household earning $73,298 with an average household size of 2.54.  When we use these numbers in conjunction with taxes paid per capita, we have an average total tax rate of 24.65% per illegal immigrant household and 37.16% for US citizen households.

In conclusion, do some illegal immigrants pay taxes?  Yes.  Does an overwhelming majority?  No.  So much so in fact, that between both populations, American citizens have a 50% higher rate of tax then illegal immigrants do and pay and additional 12.5% on income.

As an aside, this was way too much effort to put into a post.  Looking back, I'm questioning my life.

That is not the conclusion, about half of illegal immigrants file tax returns but the numbers are skewed because the majority of illegal immigrants don't have access to jobs that pay them on the books and there is a risk for illegal immigrants to file tax returns, it creates a paper trail and could lead to deportation. Also the illegal immigrants that do file income tax do not have access to the tax credit, Social Security, and Medicare.

[Amarok]

Wow barrage of dull insults .You really showed me 

So you also post under the "The Gentleman Bastard" moniker.

You sent the comment to me

[WinterHold]

The more you close borders, the more you'll have waves of people coming in.

You don't get to throw your shit at other countries, and not expect people to come knocking your door, wanting to take a permanent residence to escape the shit you threw at their societies.

One thing for certain: the foreign policy of the west is creating more and more immigrants who ride ships to escape the hell in their countries. With every war, with every humanitarian crisis, people will flee and come to your house.

Without Western weapons, dictators won't live for a day. M16s and G3s are lovely guns. Notice their "western names"?

Sadly we only have one planet. And we have to live together. As Europeans once killed the Indians and took America, the days passed and now immigrants want to take a piece for themselves.
It happened with Rome also; and brought down the western Roman empire.

Earth is for us all. Start to treat it like that, kick nationalism+racism out of your system, remember your shameful history, and everything would be very cool.

Crazy horse, the Indian neighbor says hi.

[Angrboda]

You could dramatically increase the portion of taxes that illegal immigrants pay if you made them all citizens.

[Ravenshire]

So, instead of backing up your claim, you double down on stupid and add some insults. About what I'd expect from a Trumpster.

Yes, I recognize figures of speech. Too bad what you were using was inflammatory rhetoric. And, you were wrong to boot. Way to go there, hero.

Here's a hint if you're going to participate on public forums.  Let other people express their opinions.  If they piss you off instead of getting a stick up your butt simply put them on ignore.  You'll be much happier and so will they.  If you want someone to agree with you all the time then talk to yourself in the mirror.

If you're going to make a complete dumbass of yourself on a public forum, you should expect to have it pointed out to you.

[WinterHold]

You could dramatically increase the portion of taxes that illegal immigrants pay if you made them all citizens.

Or, you could stop funding dictators around the world, stop selling weapons to governments known for their poor human rights, and most importantly: stop Comedy shows like the invasion of  Iraq and Afghanistan.

History repeats itself, and Rome's scenario will happen again. Then you can eat your taxes instead of food.

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Don't defend this fucked up system; please. This is a system that risen on invasions and mass murder.
It thrives via war economy and bank scams