This is Islam. Malcom X

[Brian37]

Islam is whatever the people currently practice it make it out to be.  Just like Christianity and Buddhism and every other religion, it changes over time.  
And it varies from location to location as well as well as sect to sect and person to person.
There is no "true" Islam.  There is only whatever the modern interpretation is, wherever you happen to be looking at that point in time.

This would be true if God didn't provide a representative that would the official representative and the one who humans have to return to, to return to the chosen word of guidance of God remaining in the line and offspring of Abraham, who was the official representative of the creed in his time.

This one reason among many why the religion cannot really exist in true form without a leader and guide from God!

Even if Atlas say had the right interpretation of Islam, he has no proof from God, and no one is required to pay attention to him or me or anyone without proof from God that their view of Islam is the correct interpretation of God's religion.

Mystic, can you try for once to lose the romance in your argument?

Between the two of you, he is far less likely to go off the deep end and go ISIS on anyone.

The "right interpretation".

Yep, every religion, including Jews and Christians and Buddhists ....... ect ect ect..

If you'd only swallow my version.

Look I do get it, I used to believe in a god myself. But there is no "correct" interpretation. 

No matter which religion anyone of any religion argues, it is still the same, "I like what I believe and anyone else even in my same religion with a different interpretation got it wrong."

Every religion does this. Baptists argue with Catholics, Catholics argue with Mormons but none of them want to face it all stems from the same Christian God. Just like Sunnis and Shiites refuse to face it is the same Koran.

How you wish others would behave who claim the same label are equally Muslim as you are. Not because they always do good, but because they hold the same book to be true but interpret it differently.

I take the same approach with even my fellow atheists. Stalin was an atheist, I am an atheist. He was a monster regardless of how I wanted him or any atheist to behave. Holding the same position between diverse people does not change that the core position are the same.

[Mystic]

Brian, there would be no way to know the right interpretation for humanity or it would be extremely difficult for them to unite on it if and only if God didn't prove people who hold the Authority regarding religion and provided them with clear proofs that they are the true representatives and the ones who can facilitate reason and the ones who humans are to turn to when not knowing and who to seek the answers from when ignorant regarding something.

For once, stop repeating everything like a mantra, and reflect. Yes, almost every person who is misguided will think their opinion is correct.

I for MOST of Islam, DO NOT hold an opinion but withhold it because I don't know. It would be easy for me to say I do know but for most of Islam, I withhold having an opinion.

[Brian37]

Brian, there would be no way to know the right interpretation for humanity or it would be extremely difficult for them to unite on it if and only if God didn't prove people who hold the Authority regarding religion and provided them with clear proofs that they are the true representatives and the ones who can facilitate reason and the ones who humans are to turn to when not knowing and who to seek the answers from when ignorant regarding something.

For once, stop repeating everything like a mantra, and reflect. Yes, almost every person who is misguided will think their opinion is correct.

I for MOST of Islam, DO NOT hold an opinion but withhold it because I don't know. It would be easy for me to say I do know but for most of Islam, I withhold having an opinion.

Now we have gone from "correct interpretation" to "misguided'.

You can play with the words, but the argument still is the same regardless of sect, "I got it right, and everyone else got it wrong". 

EVERYONE argues that. So what.

Lucky us, all 7 billion of us have you to tell us.

[Mystic]

Brian, there would be no way to know the right interpretation for humanity or it would be extremely difficult for them to unite on it if and only if God didn't prove people who hold the Authority regarding religion and provided them with clear proofs that they are the true representatives and the ones who can facilitate reason and the ones who humans are to turn to when not knowing and who to seek the answers from when ignorant regarding something.

For once, stop repeating everything like a mantra, and reflect. Yes, almost every person who is misguided will think their opinion is correct.

I for MOST of Islam, DO NOT hold an opinion but withhold it because I don't know. It would be easy for me to say I do know but for most of Islam, I withhold having an opinion.

Now we have gone from "correct interpretation" to "misguided'.

You can play with the words, but the argument still is the same regardless of sect, "I got it right, and everyone else got it wrong". 

EVERYONE argues that. So what.

Lucky us, all 7 billion of us have you to tell us.

The point is you can't equate those on the truth and clear proofs with those who are not.  You want to lump them all together because they all claim they are right is your choice, but at the end, there is clear distinction to truth that is proven clearly and falsehood that is followed on conjecture, and there is difference between clear guidelines and ambiguities, and there is clear difference between what has proof and signs for from the book and what has no evidence but is conjecture and followed with no proof what so ever. 

As for the Muslims, they have united to ignore clear proofs and follow ambiguities from the book and attribute what they don't know is true to God and his Messenger.  You aren't to dismiss Mohammad and his family, due to them.

Rather, you are to search out God's proofs and reflect, and not assume everyone is wrong as well not assume any group officially today has it right regarding religion as well.

You are to find out not assuming the worst has happened and not assuming it has not.

[Brian37]

Now we have gone from "correct interpretation" to "misguided'.

You can play with the words, but the argument still is the same regardless of sect, "I got it right, and everyone else got it wrong". 

EVERYONE argues that. So what.

Lucky us, all 7 billion of us have you to tell us.

The point is you can't equate those on the truth and clear proofs with those who are not.  You want to lump them all together because they all claim they are right is your choice, but at the end, there is clear distinction to truth that is proven clearly and falsehood that is followed on conjecture, and there is difference between clear guidelines and ambiguities, and there is clear difference between what has proof and signs for from the book and what has no evidence but is conjecture and followed with no proof what so ever. 

As for the Muslims, they have united to ignore clear proofs and follow ambiguities from the book and attribute what they don't know is true to God and his Messenger.  You aren't to dismiss Mohammad and his family, due to them.

Rather, you are to search out God's proofs and reflect, and not assume everyone is wrong as well not assume any group officially today has it right regarding religion as well.

You are to find out not assuming the worst has happened and not assuming it has not.

Everyone thinks they have "clear proofs"

Again, so what?

[Mystic]

The point whether or not people think they do (I disagree, most people go with a subject whimsy feeling and don't believe they have proofs aside from their whimsy feeling), the people who do and follow clear proofs are distinct from those who don't and follow conjecture based on desires.

[Brian37]

The point whether or not people think they do (I disagree, most people go with a subject whimsy feeling and don't believe they have proofs aside from their whimsy feeling),  the people who do and follow clear proofs are distinct from those who don't and follow conjecture based on desires.

Now we have gone from "correct interpretation, to "misguided" and now we have "they have proofs aside from their whimsy and feeling."

Again, 7 billion humans, and lucky us you are the one that magically got it right.

EVERYONE thinks they got it right, so what?

[Mystic]

Let me repeat to you. The path with clear evidence and religion with clear proofs from God is distinct and towering above those paths and religions that don't.

[Brian37]

Let me repeat to you. The path with clear evidence and religion with clear proofs from God is distinct and towering above those paths and religions that don't.

So we've gone from

"correct interpretation"
to

"misguided"

to

"they have proofs outside their whimsy and feelings"

to

"God is distinct and towering above those paths"

Nope sorry, still amounts to, "JUST BELIEVE ME BECAUSE I SAY SO".

Nope, you won't blindly become a Christian or Jew or Buddhist, just because they claim it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. So do not expect me to give you any special treatment either.

[Angrboda]

The most realistic, and most logical thing I have ever heard






Just to know, that what you see on the media about Islam today is not actually Islam.
This is Islam.

No wonder Malcom was killed.

You're nothing less than a full fledged apologist for Arab and Muslim atrocities. You keep telling us to ignore the man behind the curtain. We know better.

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Now we have gone from "correct interpretation" to "misguided'.

You can play with the words, but the argument still is the same regardless of sect, "I got it right, and everyone else got it wrong". 

EVERYONE argues that. So what.

Lucky us, all 7 billion of us have you to tell us.

The point is you can't equate those on the truth and clear proofs with those who are not.  You want to lump them all together because they all claim they are right is your choice, but at the end, there is clear distinction to truth that is proven clearly and falsehood that is followed on conjecture, and there is difference between clear guidelines and ambiguities, and there is clear difference between what has proof and signs for from the book and what has no evidence but is conjecture and followed with no proof what so ever. 

As for the Muslims, they have united to ignore clear proofs and follow ambiguities from the book and attribute what they don't know is true to God and his Messenger.  You aren't to dismiss Mohammad and his family, due to them.

Rather, you are to search out God's proofs and reflect, and not assume everyone is wrong as well not assume any group officially today has it right regarding religion as well.

You are to find out not assuming the worst has happened and not assuming it has not.

You don't have clear proofs, rather you've got shit for brains, and a deluded mind.