Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.

[pocaracas]

The concept of the family of guidance of the time is repeated through out Quran. One of the things Quran corrects the Bible in, is that it emphasizes that there was a family among the Israelites that was like the family of Abraham.

The Messengers were in a form of chosen family: (see verse 2:246-248)
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I find it astonishing that you can't see the way that one family managed to reach power and stay in power in all that.

The inability to understand basic human psychology will be the downfall of humanity...

[robvalue]

Try http://www.someonewhogivesafuck.com

[downbeatplumb]

I hope you understand by now that no one other than you gives a flying fuck what the koran says.

Indeed the koran, bible and all the others are nothing to me.

To put it another way. The koran is to me as the book of Mormon is to mystic.

[Mystic]

The concept of the family of guidance of the time is repeated through out Quran. One of the things Quran corrects the Bible in, is that it emphasizes that there was a family among the Israelites that was like the family of Abraham.

The Messengers were in a form of chosen family: (see verse 2:246-248)
[...]

I find it astonishing that you can't see the way that one family managed to reach power and stay in power in all that.

The inability to understand basic human psychology will be the downfall of humanity...

They stood in power, but not in the way you think. They weren't in power in the way Ummayads and Abbassids had power, rather, they were in power through ruling the hearts by which God is seen as the True King. 

This is why the Gospels of Jesus taught to his disciples and paraphrased by God in different ways, is important.

True Kings doesn't mean they will be accepted by people and people will accept them, it means they ought to accepted and followed, and those who follow them, do so because God is the True King.

If you study a little bit of history, you can see the family of Mohammad was oppressed, the 12 Successors faced hardship and oppression and their followers were killed, kicked out of the land, jailed, and some even tortured, by the governments that ruled through the falsehood and sorcery on the hearts.

They ruled the world in the same Jesus ruled the word, through being God's chair and authority on the hearts of Humans and Jinn, and through the punishment of turning away from them being the same as turning away from God!

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The Quran when it mentions something even once it's vitally important.   Sometimes things are only said once because of the significant impression that verse has, like the "God is the light of the heavens and earth" wasn't repeated in Quran through out. It's probably the most celebrated verse regardless and is loved more then repeated things in Quran.

Repetition also has it's uses. 

The thing about the clarification of the household of the reminder, of the past to the present, it does so both repetitively but also it brings significance with respect to other subjects, and creates impressions and verses that are unique about it.

It's somewhat of a synthesis and middle ground between repetition and unique impression verses.

Verse 42:23 for example, has the use of the word "Al-Qurba" and it's only used there, where as in other places, "dul-Qurba" or "ulil-Qurba" is used (for example regarding war booty), and other places we see the words "bayt" or "Ahlul-bayt" or "Aul" or "Ahl", so it uses different words that all mean in the context the same thing, but in the case of 42:23, since it's emphasizing on a very high level of love towards the near kin of the Messenger, it uses a word that reminds that they nearest of all people to the Messenger, who we owe a great deal of gratitude towards for the message, and ought to appreciate God's Message through loving his family.

The Bible before it even got to the family of Abraham it talked about envy. The problem of evil is envy. It's the envious who are evil and it's the well-wishers that are good. 

The family of Abraham each chosen leader and Prophet faced a lot of envy from family members that were not chosen, by the word family in the latter use I mean in the general sense, in the former use "family of Abraham", I meant in the chosen special sense.

The family of Mohammad are envied so much and there is so much evil created in the hearts with respect to them, but this envy is anything but natural, it's unnatural, and blindness ot them in Quran is best explained by dark magic.

We saw the issue of the family of Aaron clarified in Quran in Suratal Baqara, but still Muslims believe Yushua is the one who inherited from Moses and was his successor. Yushua was only put in place AFTER God BROKE HIS PROMISE TO THE FAMILY OF AARON IN THE TORAH- does the Quran acknowledge this?

It refutes by emphasizing there is a chosen family of the past and the whole purpose of the family of Abraham was to clarify what was meant by the family of Aaron which is also the family of Moses. The Quran will go further and say the family of Moses and Aaron is in fact the family of Imran Imran who is the grandfather of Jesus as well.

"Surely God chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above the worlds. Offspring some of it from some, indeed God is Hearing, Knowing." (3:33-34)


Somehow Muslims have become immunized to these verses and their hearts harden and don't realize their evil ways of envying the family of Mohammad. The Quran shows way of the past only to clarify the way of the present.

This verse is saying just as he chosen Adam so did he choose Noah, and just as he chose the family of Abraham, so did he chose the family of Imran, and we will see special words when it comes to the need of Zakariya inheriting through offspring. The need of Zakariya having a son to inherit him is vitally important to understand the constant structure of these chosen families.

Another thing that was emphasized in this Surah was that God manifests the purity of the likes of Mary who are from the household of guidance of the time. This is going to be important when Quran condemns clergy classes claiming righteousness and purity and authority of the Prophets with no proof from God. 

Another thing we will look in light of this is what the word "asbat" truly means in Quran.  I will argue it references to branches of a blessed tree of Prophethood, and that all are inheritors of the founder.  We will also take help from hadiths in this respect, including from Sunni sources.

The question then remains how much is the similarity and how much is the difference.  The similarity is they are related by blood and by light and by cause and by rank. And the difference is that as well. And the similarity with no difference is that each founder of a nation is followed with Twelve Captains that navigate the ship he built after him and continue to be the means to salvation for humans and the people who the revelation has been revealed to.

The Quran cannot be separated from the family of the reminder. Among it's clear proofs and foundations is how the past Prophets were sent. And they were never sent alone. They were always followed by successors.

We showed so far two verses about this subject. But once things get clarified you will see this is probably the most emphasized subject in Quran after oneness of God and it's integrated with many subjects including the truth of the light brought down.

May God make us believe in the light he has revealed and brought down to humanity the truth that is with Ali and Ali is with.

[Mystic]

Suratal Auli-Imran, discusses an important issue which is the subject to interpretation. While guidance existed in the past, how did they become distorted.  It is obviously by following liars but trusting them. How did this occur?

With respect to Quran, the Islamic paradigm is while it's words remain, the interpretation can become corrupted. 

How did this happen, when for example, Moses was followed by a succession of Messengers?

The Quran says disgrace fell upon the Israelites except by a rope from God and rope from humans... what does this mean? We saw earlier the there was a chosen household that was like the family of Abraham among the Israelites.  Moses and Aaron family was also said to be one family, and we will see later, this is also the same as the family of David.

The Quran then emphasizes in this Surah to hold on to rope of God and to not be like those who divided in the past. It can be said the whole clarification of near the end of the chosen ones in Israelites, of which Imran, Zakariya, Yayha (John) , Mariam, and Jesus were emphasized in that respect, was to clarify the rope from God and rope from humans.

Revelations like the Gospels were never revealed without a person. Books didn't descend from the sky.  This is why belief in Messengers is emphasized along side with belief in books and Angels. 

Their leadership is emphasized, "and a master/leader and honorable..." pertaining to the words of Angels regarding John (Yahya).

The rope of God then what is it, after Mohammad? "Mohammad is but a Messenger, if he dies or is killed, will you turn on your backs...", what is the rope of God that stops divisions.

A lot of people say it's Quran, but the Quran already showed it can be subject to misleading interpretations (3:7).

Furthermore, the Surah emphasized that holy revelations and the Prophets in the past, it didn't just emphasize on the holy books, but the Prophets were to be obeyed.
While there are no more Prophets, would there be succession to the sacred leadership of Mohammad?

The issue of leadership was so sensitive, that despite the promise of Mary and Jesus to be born out of her, Zakariya feared his inheritors and hence asked for a pure good offspring that would inherit him from both senses of the word, spiritually and physically, so that no one would dispute to leadership.

And this is one reason that blood relationship was emphasized, to limit the false claimants to divine leadership and succession.

Another thing we will look at is the usage of the word ummatan, often translated as nation or people, while it can be and some places should be, translated as a "course/way".  The Quran emphasizes the chosen family after the founder are one way to God, but at the same time, he divides them and cuts them apart into twelve ways, branches from one root.  This what occurred with the people of Moses, they had a way/course to God after Moses, split into twelve ways as branches of one family root.

These verses are all clarifying what each other mean.

[Minimalist]

Another thing we will look at is the usage of the word ummatan, often translated as nation or people,

Let's look at the word "dumbfuck" often translated as dumb fuck.

[Mystic]

Verse 2:248 emphasizes that wisdom and revealed knowledge  in which lied the tranquility of the hearts were all inherited in the family of Moses/Aaron till it reached Talut (Saul).  The Quran also emphasizes Saul too was a chosen one, a Prophet Messenger, who was superior in knowledge. But the confusion was about kingship, so Samuel instead of praising himself took the time to make clear who would be his successor. In the verses that follow Dawood who killed Jalut (Goliath) was emphasized to be given the authority (kingdom/kingship (mulk)) as well and we know he was revealed the Psalms.

In the Torah, Talut (Saul) is seen as one who deviates but the Quran corrects this, and shows that it contradicts the essential thesis of the Torah.

Not only that, but the whole emphasis on the family of Abraham in the Torah was to make way to the family of Aaron as well as the family of the "the one who God will send", who was a special person in the eyes of Moses, and who he prayed for to release the knot on his tongue through. 

Aaron though due to be the true successor of Moses, God told him, why are you looking all the way to "the one who God will send" instead of looking towards preparing people for enlightenment now, and that Aaron can do this task.

In other words, God wishes for us to look towards the eminent for enlightening people. In Suratal Nisa (the 4th Surah), God reveals to obey the Messenger and those who possess the authority from us.

This is a huge revelation and emphasis.  Linguistically speaking, it is ambiguous. But the context of Quran and it's emphasis, it has to be seen to be Leaders like the Prophets except without Prophethood.

Now if context was missing, perhaps, people can be excused.  Especially since there can be confusion on the phrase "so if dispute regarding a matter so refer it to God and the Messenger if you believe in God and the last day, this is best, and most suitable in ending."

However there was a clear context that was emphasising on the witnesses from each people, and that Mohammad was a witness on these (people), and there is a theme in Quran that people will be called with a witness from them, other verses clarify that it's the leader from them and one explicity says "the day every human is called with their leader", and another verse say "and every soul came with it (on the day of judgement), a driver and witness".

This is already reminds of the true leaders and authorities of guidance. But it didn't finish there, it went into a dialogue where as the clergy of the Christians and Jews were attributing purity to themselves, and sufficient was it as a lie. This didn't mean they were saying they were sinless, but they put a aura of purity and righteousness with no proof.

They did so and claimed the sorcery and the false idol (Taghut) which they believed in were more guided then believers in their path. Then says "do they have a share in the authority....", the authority they were claiming was not political kingship but religious authority.  They were claiming to represent God and the Prophets, as a collective. The Quran says they have no share in such authority as the Prophets. Then makes them recall while putting the question if it's a matter envy towards certain humans....

"Or do they envy the humans for what God has given them out of his grace? So we gave the family of Abraham, the book, and the wisdom, and we gave them a great authority."

The great authority that the family of Abraham was given was one from God, it was the one emphasized in the Torah. Do they have a share in this authority? Surely, they should realized that the likes of Abraham and Isaac, cannot have a comparison with clergy. 

In fact, if the truly believe in that authority, they would tell people at the very least to think for themselves and see if Mohammad is correct, not dictate, and hide the truth, of what Torah, Psalms, etc, all say about the one who God will send.

It then warns heavily on not turning away from God through such insolent behaviour, reminds of believing in God's signs and warns heavily not to disbelieve in the signs of God.   It was in flow of that discussion that God says:

"O you who believe, obey God and obey the Messenger and those who possess the Authority from you...."

The line that follows is to emphasize if they dispute concerning them, the Quran and Sunnah clarifies who they are, and if they are confused as to how to refer to God and the Messenger in disputes, the Possessors of the authority will guide and clarify. 

Sectarian disputes in Islam revolve around two things: "how to refer to Quran and Sunnah", and "who the Ulil-Amr (possessors of the authority)" are, the Quran has clarified both. So if we dispute how to refer to Quran and Sunnah, then it clarifies how to get that clarification. And if we dispute who the Ulil-Amr are, then it should be known Quran and Sunnah clarify who they are. 

The line 4:54 definitely is clarifying the humans who are envied with respect to contrast to clergy authority which is false, and comparison to the household of Abraham authority which is true and great. This is the context leading way to 4:59.

And in fact, this cannot be explained except by means of dark magic on the hearts.  People are obtuse sometimes, but over all, humans read these words heedlessly and cannot link them.

The 12 Imams argued by context, that 4:59 refers to the humans who were envied with respect to the authority given to the family of Abraham, and the knowledge, and wisdom, from the book. 

They emphasized that the context clarifies exactly who they are. And it's obvious it's a household of guidance, the household of Mohammad.

[Gwaithmir]

Verse 2:248 emphasizes that wisdom and revealed knowledge  in which lied the tranquility of the hearts were all inherited in the family of Moses/Aaron till it reached Talut (Saul).  The Quran also emphasizes Saul too was a chosen one, a Prophet Messenger, who was superior in knowledge. But the confusion was about kingship, so Samuel instead of praising himself took the time to make clear who would be his successor. In the verses that follow Dawood who killed Jalut (Goliath) was emphasized to be given the authority (kingdom/kingship (mulk)) as well and we know he was revealed the Psalms.

In the Torah, Talut (Saul) is seen as one who deviates but the Quran corrects this, and shows that it contradicts the essential thesis of the Torah.

Not only that, but the whole emphasis on the family of Abraham in the Torah was to make way to the family of Aaron as well as the family of the "the one who God will send", who was a special person in the eyes of Moses, and who he prayed for to release the knot on his tongue through. 

Aaron though due to be the true successor of Moses, God told him, why are you looking all the way to "the one who God will send" instead of looking towards preparing people for enlightenment now, and that Aaron can do this task.

In other words, God wishes for us to look towards the eminent for enlightening people. In Suratal Nisa (the 4th Surah), God reveals to obey the Messenger and those who possess the authority from us.

This is a huge revelation and emphasis.  Linguistically speaking, it is ambiguous. But the context of Quran and it's emphasis, it has to be seen to be Leaders like the Prophets except without Prophethood.

Now if context was missing, perhaps, people can be excused.  Especially since there can be confusion on the phrase "so if dispute regarding a matter so refer it to God and the Messenger if you believe in God and the last day, this is best, and most suitable in ending."

However there was a clear context that was emphasising on the witnesses from each people, and that Mohammad was a witness on these (people), and there is a theme in Quran that people will be called with a witness from them, other verses clarify that it's the leader from them and one explicity says "the day every human is called with their leader", and another verse say "and every soul came with it (on the day of judgement), a driver and witness".

This is already reminds of the true leaders and authorities of guidance. But it didn't finish there, it went into a dialogue where as the clergy of the Christians and Jews were attributing purity to themselves, and sufficient was it as a lie. This didn't mean they were saying they were sinless, but they put a aura of purity and righteousness with no proof.

They did so and claimed the sorcery and the false idol (Taghut) which they believed in were more guided then believers in their path. Then says "do they have a share in the authority....", the authority they were claiming was not political kingship but religious authority.  They were claiming to represent God and the Prophets, as a collective. The Quran says they have no share in such authority as the Prophets. Then makes them recall while putting the question if it's a matter envy towards certain humans....

"Or do they envy the humans for what God has given them out of his grace? So we gave the family of Abraham, the book, and the wisdom, and we gave them a great authority."

The great authority that the family of Abraham was given was one from God, it was the one emphasized in the Torah. Do they have a share in this authority? Surely, they should realized that the likes of Abraham and Isaac, cannot have a comparison with clergy. 

In fact, if the truly believe in that authority, they would tell people at the very least to think for themselves and see if Mohammad is correct, not dictate, and hide the truth, of what Torah, Psalms, etc, all say about the one who God will send.

It then warns heavily on not turning away from God through such insolent behaviour, reminds of believing in God's signs and warns heavily not to disbelieve in the signs of God.   It was in flow of that discussion that God says:

"O you who believe, obey God and obey the Messenger and those who possess the Authority from you...."

The line that follows is to emphasize if they dispute concerning them, the Quran and Sunnah clarifies who they are, and if they are confused as to how to refer to God and the Messenger in disputes, the Possessors of the authority will guide and clarify. 

Sectarian disputes in Islam revolve around two things: "how to refer to Quran and Sunnah", and "who the Ulil-Amr (possessors of the authority)" are, the Quran has clarified both. So if we dispute how to refer to Quran and Sunnah, then it clarifies how to get that clarification. And if we dispute who the Ulil-Amr are, then it should be known Quran and Sunnah clarify who they are. 

The line 4:54 definitely is clarifying the humans who are envied with respect to contrast to clergy authority which is false, and comparison to the household of Abraham authority which is true and great. This is the context leading way to 4:59.

And in fact, this cannot be explained except by means of dark magic on the hearts.  People are obtuse sometimes, but over all, humans read these words heedlessly and cannot link them.

The 12 Imams argued by context, that 4:59 refers to the humans who were envied with respect to the authority given to the family of Abraham, and the knowledge, and wisdom, from the book. 

They emphasized that the context clarifies exactly who they are. And it's obvious it's a household of guidance, the household of Mohammad.

8 But when Thorondor was gone, Turgon sat long in thought, and he opened his heart, and sent to the eagles to search for Húrin of Dor-lómin; and bring him if they might to Gondolin. But it was too late, and they never saw him again in light or shadow.

9 For Húrin stood in despair before the silent cliffs of the Echoriath, and the westering sun, piercing the clouds, stained his white hair with red. Then he cried aloud in the wilderness, heedless of any ears, and he cursed the pitiless land; and standing at last upon a high rock he looked toward Gondolin and called in a great voice: "Turgon, Turgon, remember the fen of Serech! O Turgon, will you not hear in your hidden halls?" But there was no sound save the wind in the high grasses. And a darkness fell upon him, and the wind ceased, and there was aught but silence in the waste. (The Silmarillion, 22:8-9)

[Mystic]

The Quran is showing a structure that the Prophets were sent by. 

“And we did not send before you but men who we revealed to therefore ask the family of the reminder if you do not know” – (Quran 16:43, 20:7)


The reminder is both the Quran and the Prophet. The Prophet is the living instance of the reminder of the time while Quran is the written instance of the reminder.  This is saying, even say you and your followers didn't know something important, you would be required to search out the family of the reminder of the time.  The family of the reminder before Mohammad was the family of Aaron and Moses.  Elyas remained a hidden guide during that time, if people could not access him, they would still be required to seek the legacy of the family of the reminder if Mohammad's family weren't the family of the reminder.

However, the family of the reminder is Mohammad and his family.   This verse is saying, no matter who the family of the reminder is even suppose it was not Mohammad and his family, then seek them out for knowledge, and surely it's Mohammad and his family so seek them and they will make known the wonders of the holy book.

The verse 42:23 needs elaboration in this regard, why didn't past Prophets then ask a wage if they too had a chosen family. And it's clear, because they were preparing people for their successors, but also for the chosen families to come. Yet there would be uncertainty on the length of their legacy and what can be expected of their followers if their legacy vanishes.

However, in the case, of the universal Messenger sent to the whole world who God sealed revelations through, it makes sense in that regard he has a special case in which there is a wage pertaining to the universal household of the reminder, who humanity is to come to so as to return to God.

[Deesse23]

24 pages, and all of this because his god is such a shitty communicator.