Treasures from the Houshold of guidance.

[Minimalist]

Can you really imagine a fucking "god" who would want to hear such repetitive shit day in and day out?

Sounds more like someone who is locked up in an asylum.

[Mystic]

Why do you keep posting these things?

If you like them, then great. Are you aware what we are going to think about them? If so, why keep doing it?

See my answer to the honorable LadyForCamus.

[robvalue]

Oh ok, well I’m glad to hear he is getting help. That’s all anyone can do. But you’re right, if he is resistant to receiving help, it’s going to diminish its effects.

This is all rather difficult. How should we respond to MK? In general, how should we respond to someone who we have reason to believe isn’t mentally well? I don’t mean to be patronising, but to ask a serious question. Do we:

1) Treat them as we would anyone else and hope that our points make some sort of impact?

2) Treat them with kid gloves, either in a more noncommittal way or even going along with what they say?

3) Not interact with them at all?

I honestly don’t know what would be most beneficial, from their point of view, or from a moral point of view.

PS: I appreciate MK is probably going to disagree with my assessment, and that there’s not an issue here. But I would be interested to know how he would theoretically think it is best to treat someone who is mentally unwell.

I think the best thing to do is not feed his delusion(s), he does enough of that himself. I will certainly point out when his delusions do not fit (for lack of a better word) with what is generally accepted as reality, and point out his resultant compulsions to self affirm that they are/should be accepted. 

At this time I don't think he is harming himself or others, except in his desire to have his delusions accepted and therefore have himself and his behavior accepted in his society. He's not much worse than the alcoholic/addict who refuses to see their self destructive behavior when it comes to interactions with others. His delusion(s) are his drug. 

So arguing won't help (that feeds) and enabling certainly won't help. I'll just keep pointing out that his thoughts/behavior are considered inappropriate, sometimes including negative comments to help him understand his lack of acceptance by the group.

I see that he posted, perfect example of his delusional/compulsive behavior.

Yes, you are right. He is beyond reach.

I might start a separate thread on this subject in general.

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@MK:You cling to hope of what?

[Mystic]

Can you really imagine a fucking "god" who would want to hear such repetitive shit day in and day out?

Sounds more like someone who is locked up in an asylum.

No need to imagine, I know a being who is worthy of Worship and loves to be known, relied on, and form a relationship through his chosen ones with his creation.

He is the best reliable support, and if we rely on others then him and seek their help rather then his in distress, we become worthy to be abandoned.

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I think the best thing to do is not feed his delusion(s), he does enough of that himself. I will certainly point out when his delusions do not fit (for lack of a better word) with what is generally accepted as reality, and point out his resultant compulsions to self affirm that they are/should be accepted. 

At this time I don't think he is harming himself or others, except in his desire to have his delusions accepted and therefore have himself and his behavior accepted in his society. He's not much worse than the alcoholic/addict who refuses to see their self destructive behavior when it comes to interactions with others. His delusion(s) are his drug. 

So arguing won't help (that feeds) and enabling certainly won't help. I'll just keep pointing out that his thoughts/behavior are considered inappropriate, sometimes including negative comments to help him understand his lack of acceptance by the group.

I see that he posted, perfect example of his delusional/compulsive behavior.

Yes, you are right. He is beyond reach.

I might start a separate thread on this subject in general.

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@MK:You cling to hope of what?

To spark a light and that some people will not seek to put it out if reminded.

[no one]

Hey Mystic, just how big is god's tallywhacker?

[Abaddon_ire]

Line by line

1. Allah is neither all merciful, nor all compassionate.
2. I don't care about the violent thug moohumpcamel.
3. perfect faith requires a lobotomy.
4. certainty by faith is an abdication of the reason you claim allah gave you
5. holy fuck. whatever I do must be holy by definition whatever it is?
6. allah is not on the same planet as "gentleness"
7. allah is just an excuse for any and all behaviour
8. claim to be corrupt.
9. bless the thug mo again.
10. help me ignore everything, even morality

And it goes on. It is not beautiful, it is not only morally repugnant, it is an abdication of whatever remnant you had of any form of morality. It is disgusting and you should be ashamed for posting such obscenity.

[Mystic]

We get your hate, we just don't take your denial and silly attitude as evidence that the proofs are unclear.

[Minimalist]

No need to imagine, I know a being who is worthy of Worship and loves to be known, relied on, and form a relationship through his chosen ones with his creation.

So do I.




I consider him a fucking lunatic.  His only advantage over your absurd "god" is that the WLB is all too real.

[Mystic]

No need to imagine, I know a being who is worthy of Worship and loves to be known, relied on, and form a relationship through his chosen ones with his creation.

So do I.




I consider him a fucking lunatic.  His only advantage over your absurd "god" is that the WLB is all too real.

For there to be false idols like the one you showed, there has to be a true God. Otherwise, misleading paths and objects of worship that are scum, is bound to happen and there is no objective standard to condemn them.

The fact you condemn them is that you know there is a higher path and that something ought to be valued above false idols and that men are not supposed to blindly followed only because you know there is a path that insight calls to and can be walked upon by insight.

[no one]

How about the human standard. Be kind, treat others how you want to be treated? Novel idea, don't you think?