IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?

[Huggy Bear]

Can you honestly say you've followed the simple instructions laid out by the bible, of which there are only two?

What a stupid lie. Don't you realise we can just pick up the bible and check only to discover your lie?

What's the lie?

[Abaddon_ire]

What a stupid lie. Don't you realise we can just pick up the bible and check only to discover your lie?

What's the lie?

Only two commandments?

It is to laugh.

I know the two to which you refer, they are not the only ones and they were plagiarised from earlier sources anyway.

[Huggy Bear]

What's the lie?

Only two commandments?

It is to laugh.

I know the two to which you refer, they are not the only ones and they were plagiarised from earlier sources anyway.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. - Acts 2:38

1. Repent

2. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Then you SHALL (not maybe) receive the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit, is the only requirement to get into heaven.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30

[Abaddon_ire]

Only two commandments?

It is to laugh.

I know the two to which you refer, they are not the only ones and they were plagiarised from earlier sources anyway.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. - Acts 2:38

1. Repent

2. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Then you SHALL (not maybe) receive the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit, is the only requirement to get into heaven.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30

Really? Great. I can sin my butt off and simply repent on my death bed and I am all good, right?

[Huggy Bear]

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. - Acts 2:38

1. Repent

2. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Then you SHALL (not maybe) receive the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit, is the only requirement to get into heaven.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30

Really? Great. I can sin my butt off and simply repent on my death bed and I am all good, right?

According to the scripture, if you had the Holy Spirit you could sin all you want and wouldn't even have to repent, it clearly states you're sealed till the day of your redemption.

[The Grand Nudger]

Magic book, like usual, offers a conflicting account.-

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Looks like fucking "jesus" thought that there was a little more to it than Huggy is telling us. No matter, I'm sure Huggy is qualified to correct the lord of creation ...that guys an idiot. What would he know?

[Chicken]

Well, Dragonfly, I was raised Jewish, so I never had preconceived notions of an afterlife, really. Hell doesn't really exist for Jews. However, I did have hopes that all my loved ones would go to heaven for a long time. Grappling with the afterlife is very difficult. It all stems from biological survival instincts and more subtly, the memory of loved ones living on somewhere. Hell, on the other hand, is a malicious lie. I don't know where to begin to remove that from your thoughts but I am postive it will go away in time, and if you have a secular therapist to help you it will happen much faster, I guarantee that. I have had my fair share of post-theistic depression and existential crisis, and it all goes away eventually. Just keep asking those questions, further cement the truth into your brain, and sooner or later you view all this religious nonsense as nothing more than a fairytale. Do you remember when you discovered Santa Claus wasn't real? For a child, that is pretty heart-breaking, it was for me when I found the magical toothfairy wasn't real either. I know God is much grander than Santa Claus, but you aren't still caught up on Santa now, are you? That is pretty much exactly how I view God now, grand or not, and I feel much better for it. Just for emphasis, you WILL get over this in time, you just need to get through this choppy few months and it will start to stabilize. Don't stop expanding your horizons and broadening your mind, and rationality will take over any emotional response you have in the moment.

[Huggy Bear]

Magic book, like usual, offers a conflicting account.-

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Looks like fucking "jesus" thought that there was a little more to it than Huggy is telling us.  No matter, I'm sure Huggy is qualified to correct the lord of creation ...that guys an idiot.  What would he know?

I love it when you guys get on here and quote scripture like you have any idea of what you're talking about.

Jesus IS the holy spirit, so obviously if hes sitting there talking to you, no one is capable of yet receiving the holy spirit.

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. - John 16:7

*emphasis mine*

So Jesus is clearly not speaking of anyone that has received his spirit...

Take Peter for example, Peter was with Jesus for around 3 and a half years. Peter was casting out devils along with all the other disciples (Judas included) yet just before Jesus was was crucified, he tells Peter to strengthen his brethren AFTER he becomes CONVERTED... this shows you that working 'wonders' in Jesus name has nothing to do with having received the Holy Spirit.

But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. - Luke 22:32

*emphasis mine*

Your works have nothing to do with you getting into heaven. Just as in the example of the Hebrews having to apply the token of blood on their door posts for the death angel to pass over them, the Holy Spirit is the new token. Jesus was the lamb that died for our sin, and if you have the token applied, which is the Holy Spirit, God doesn't see your sin, he only sees Jesus Christ (who is blameless) in your place, which means you cannot be accused of anything....

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus - Romans 8:1

*emphasis mine*

As Jesus clearly stated "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

Joel 2
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

*emphasis mine*


The will of the Father is for you to repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (THIS is the name of the Lord), and receive the Holy Spirit; as I already stated, you cannot enter heaven without it.

[Dragonfly]

I repented, believed (you left that ingredient out), and was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in the past. According to you, I've received the Holy Spirit and am nice and sealed for heaven now. Many years later, I've lost my belief that the God of the Bible exists.

Fuck Jesus "Yeshua" Christ, the motherfucking, cocksucking, goatfucking, son of a bitch (capitalize that last one, if you like). Who was the whore of god that got the virgin Mary knocked up? Oh yeah, the Smeg-slut Holy Spirit. So if god is a magical 3 for the price of 1, he masturbated himself (or has a heavenly whore) into a poor virgin who had a bastard (capitalize that one, too).

I'm still sealed! Yay!

[Chicken]

I repented, believed (you left that ingredient out), and was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in the past. According to you, I've received the Holy Spirit and am nice and sealed for heaven now. Many years later, I've lost my belief that the God of the Bible exists.

Fuck Jesus "Yeshua" Christ, the motherfucking, cocksucking, goatfucking, son of a bitch (capitalize that last one, if you like). Who was the whore of god that got the virgin Mary knocked up? Oh yeah, the Smeg-slut Holy Spirit. So if god is a magical 3 for the price of 1, he masturbated himself (or has a heavenly whore) into a poor virgin who had a bastard (capitalize that one, too).

I'm still sealed! Yay!

I applaud you, for no other reason than calling God a "Smeg-slut." You can really savor the years of repression in that one.