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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 3:35 pm
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This is usually the last gap of creationism. To imply that there is some sort of equality of faith between religious beliefs and rigorously peer reviewed science.
There is not. Evolutionary biology is both demonstrable, and observable (kind of redundant, but hey). You don't need a dick to verify it for yourself, if you were so inclined.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 3:40 pm
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(November 16, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 2:03 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Actually it could not be proven wrong tomorrow. The fact that you say that demonstrates how little you know about the current state of science. Every single major university in the entire world teaches it, and modern medicine assumes it and works on the basis of it. Any one scientist who could actually come up with an actual challenge to it, would be instantly wealthy and get a Nobel. Science is VERY competitive ... very often the competitors hate each other's guts. They would do *anything* to prove the competition wrong. There is no other theory that explains what is observed, that works as well, and YOU don't have one.
Actually it could by new findings in the field of genetics. In just one day.
Nope.
No one finding could do that, and (again) the fact you even say that, demonstrates you actually know nothing about the MOUNTAINS of intersecting, supporting evidence that supports and IS WORKING NOW in the field to find cures for diseases.
There is NOT ONE geneticist that would agree with your rubbish.
BTW, sweetie, when you *do* your unsupported ASSertion thing, like you do, you need to provide a possible concrete example of how that would work, IN DETAIL.
Good luck with that, you incompetent liar.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 3:49 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Must be some folks who share..we're not exactly distributed 50/50 or in constantly even numbers.
I'm into sharing. Anyone want to share with me?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 3:49 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Kit Wrote: I know for a fact that it has already been explained to you the difference between a theory and a scientific theory.
Don't make me report you for your continuing ignorance.
Everena: You still believe it on your faith in men to have integrity, to not be biased to their own theory, and to not be in it for the money. I have no such faith in men and am skeptical of everything that is not observable or demonstratable.
Actually no. COMPETITORS in the field, who have EVERY incentive to refute the findings of their competitors, (and who do that once in a while) are LOOKING for flaws in the work. The LIE that scientists are in a grand conspiracy is simply ignorance of the way science works by people who have never actually done science.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 3:53 pm
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(November 16, 2018 at 3:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 3:07 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. The entire universe, and everything in it, is only evidence of the universe and everything in it. You would like to add an entity to that universe..and for that..you will require evidence of that entity, not evidence of the universe.
Everena: It did not magically pop into existence with all that we have here, itself. "Things" without intelligence do not do that. It never has happened, never will happen.
Quote:How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that.
As has been repeatedly explained to you, this is both untrue...and an argument from ignorance. It demonstrates only that you don;t know something, and have plugged the meat fairy into that hole in your own understanding.
Everena: I have been studying consciousness for over 20 years. I already explained what science has been able to do so far. They can see the parts of the brain we are experiencing consciousness in and that is all so far. That does explain how or why we have consciousness. (Ditto that for emotions) See for yourself. Neuroscientists are pondering and trying to prove different possible theories right now. https://neurosciencenews.com/consciousness-theory-9059/
Quote:And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works.
Like so many other assertions, you've been informed otherwise and simply prefer to memory hole it.
Everena: Anyone who stated otherwise is WRONG. Ask any real scientist.
Quote:And food is evidence of God.
Don't start this again......lol.
Everena: Why? Because it completely proves you are wrong?
Quote:Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck.
No one writes it off as chance or luck.
Everena: Then you believe in God.
You are erecting a straw argument here due to your inability to directly address the subject and all of the information that has been provided to you..as you requested.
Everena: No, I am not. You need to look up strawman argument. No information has been provided to me and there is no explanation why food would taste delicious and provide us with energy and nutrients. And yes food has always been on this planet. And what they make new foods from has always been on this planet. And the other 7.8 million species of conscious life on this planet are just eating what is here for them to eat, so you have no argument.
Quote:Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all.
Let's see the math?
Everena: George Gallup, the most famous statistician who ever lived, said God can be proven statistically see quote https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_gallup_113367
There are also a ton of youtube videos explaining the math. Take your pick. Proteins mathematically could never form without an intelligent agent.
Quote:Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason?
Another straw argument.
Everena: Actually your answer was a strawman. Avoiding the question.
Quote:How would nothingness care if our species survived?
It doesn't.
Everena: Exactly.
Quote:Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies?
We may not be, but this doesn't give us any information whatsoever about meat fairies.
Quote:Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.
Evident implies that there is evidence..and we've yet to see a single shred of that.
Everena: You are evidence and you are surrounded by nothing but evidence.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 4:00 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 3:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 3:07 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. The entire universe, and everything in it, is only evidence of the universe and everything in it. You would like to add an entity to that universe..and for that..you will require evidence of that entity, not evidence of the universe.
Quote:How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that.
As has been repeatedly explained to you, this is both untrue...and an argument from ignorance. It demonstrates only that you don;t know something, and have plugged the meat fairy into that hole in your own understanding.
Quote:And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works.
Like so many other assertions, you've been informed otherwise and simply prefer to memory hole it.
Quote:And food is evidence of God.
Don't start this again......lol.
Quote:Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck.
No one writes it off as chance or luck. You are erecting a straw argument here due to your inability to directly address the subject and all of the information that has been provided to you..as you requested.
Quote:Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all.
Let's see the math?
Quote:Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason?
Another straw argument.
Quote:How would nothingness care if our species survived?
It doesn't.
Quote:Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies?
We may not be, but this doesn't give us any information whatsoever about meat fairies.
Quote:Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.
Evident implies that there is evidence..and we've yet to see a single shred of that. We've seen your ignorance, we've seen your inability to argue against anything other than straw of your own creation, we've seen your willful refusal to address the information you request when presented, and we;ve seen your constant reassertions.
Evidence, however...nowhere to be found. You've posted alot, you could have included some evidence in any of those posts. You could include some in your next post. It's always been up to you.
But how do you explain the arguments against evolution put forward byvwell known creationists who have no qualufications in biology and are, in fact dentists?
Huh?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 4:01 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 3:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: It's like watching a dog with a stick in its mouth trying to get through a doorway.
Persistence is insanity too.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 4:05 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 3:40 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Everena Wrote: Actually it could by new findings in the field of genetics. In just one day.
Nope.
No one finding could do that, and (again) the fact you even say that, demonstrates you actually know nothing about the MOUNTAINS of intersecting, supporting evidence that supports and IS WORKING NOW in the field to find cures for diseases.
There is NOT ONE geneticist that would agree with your rubbish.
BTW, sweetie, when you *do* your unsupported ASSertion thing, like you do, you need to provide a possible concrete example of how that would work, IN DETAIL.
Good luck with that, you incompetent liar.
Blowing smoke out your ass is not good enough.
Explain how one species turning into an entirely different species is helping find cures for diseases? Genetics is a relatively new field, and they are discovering new things all the time. They were using genetics long before 2013 and yet they discovered an entirely new code with a second language that controls our genes, written on top of the other code. https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 16, 2018 at 4:06 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 4:05 pm)Everena Wrote: Explain how one species turning into an entirely different species is helping find cures for diseases? Genetics is a relatively new field, and they are discovering new things all the time. They were using genetics long before 2013 and yet they discovered an entirely new code with a second language that controls our genes, written on top of the other code. https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/
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