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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:43 am
Quote:There are many definitions of God(s). Atheists agree with none of them, thats why they're atheists.
All concepts of god seem, pathetic and immature.
Quote:If thats the rule then your assertion that there is no God must be rejected on the same grounds.
Ok, but first I would like you to point out where I claimed there is no god. Where and when did I assert that? I've rejected your claims, I have none to reject. I'm not going to leave you alone till you show me where I asserted that god doesn't exist.
Quote:The point I was making with my ant allegory is that what appears to inferior beings as acts of nature could well be caused by forces outside of nature.
Or they could just be nature. You don't get anywhere by simply assuming shit.
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Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:43 am
You could try ignoring him unless he says something sensible.
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:46 am
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(September 28, 2011 at 11:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: Oh, we're the only species that has developed a complex language, or exerted control over our environment are we. I suppose I wouldn't be able to provide any evidence to the contrary would I? (like bees, or beavers...just to play it alphabetically). I'll give you spaceships, tentatively.
So why aren't there other human like species on earth? Why are we the only ones? You are humanizing animals, beavers don't construct or control the environment, bees communicating is a series of pre programmed movements. We are the only species which questions its place in the universe.
(September 28, 2011 at 11:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: How is this planet a killing machine? I present to you the convenient fact that 99.9% of everything that has ever lived on this planet is currently extinct. That's one hell of a failure rate. Unless the point is extinction, then we have a fantastic success. Thats fallacious logic. The tree of life branches in many directions, extinction usually results in the creation of something new. After all homo erectus is extinct.
(September 28, 2011 at 11:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: No, I'm trying to explain to you that you are approaching the question from what is known as the anthropic principle. Specifically that you have your objects in inverse order. We are suited to this universe, not the other way around. Yes we are suited to it, survival of the fittest etc.
But nothing could exist without gravity, heat, light etc - the laws which govern the universe, created by God(s).
(September 28, 2011 at 11:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: What about it indeed. It directly answers your question as to why it is absurd and impossible to believe in gods existence out of fear of the possibility of his existence, in order to "hedge our bets".
Pascals Wager supports my argument...
(September 28, 2011 at 11:43 am)Ace Otana Wrote: All concepts of god seem, pathetic and immature.
Why?
(September 28, 2011 at 11:43 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Ok, but first I would like you to point out where I claimed there is no god. Where and when did I assert that? I've rejected your claims, I have none to reject. I'm not going to leave you alone till you show me where I asserted that god doesn't exist. The fact that you call yourself an atheist implies you believe there is no God. If this was an agnostic forum, and you an agnostic, I would have nothing to say to you.
(September 28, 2011 at 11:43 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Or they could just be nature. You don't get anywhere by simply assuming shit.
Then lets not assume there was a big bang, or that dark energy and black holes exist. They are only theories.
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:51 am
(September 28, 2011 at 11:46 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote: So why aren't there other human like species on earth? Why are we the only ones?
There were plenty of other human species on this planet as little as 20 thousand years ago, in fact, non African humans have been found to have neanderthal dna in them proving that we cross bred.
There are none left today because our particular branch of the human family was/is so successful that we drove all the others to extinction.
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:51 am
There are plenty of "human-like" species on the planet. As you are a primate, and there a fair few of those left. Beavers don't do what now? You're assuming that anyone's system of communication isn't dependent on programming? Why are newborns unable to speak? This last one is a bit strange Dr. Dolittle. WTF do you know about what some animal thinks about with it's spare time?
It's not fallacious logic, it's just a sober representation of demonstrable fact. Try again.
You were perfectly within the limits of sanity and integrity until you added the word God.
You obviously exist in an alternate reality if you feel that Pascals Wager supports your argument. Either that or your completely ignorant of Pascals Wager (I'm guessing the latter, since there is no evidence for the former)
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:52 am
(September 28, 2011 at 10:17 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote: (September 28, 2011 at 10:02 am)ElDinero Wrote: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist
'a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings'
You've just proved me correct, thank you.
Easy to glance over the "or disbelieve" part isn't it when it suits your needs?
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:54 am
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Quote:The fact that you call yourself an atheist implies you believe there is no God. If this was an agnostic forum, and you an agnostic, I would have nothing to say to you.
Wrong, an atheist is simply one who is without belief in a god or gods. In the most basic sense, one who does not believe. Get over it.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheist
Quote:Then lets not assume there was a big bang, or that dark energy and black holes exist. They are only theories.
They are based on observation and maths.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 11:58 am
(September 28, 2011 at 11:52 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Easy to glance over the "or disbelieve" part isn't it when it suits your needs?
Have we had one yet that doesn't do just that? Comes with the brainwashing I think.
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 12:10 pm
(September 28, 2011 at 11:46 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote: So why aren't there other human like species on earth? Why are we the only ones?
I knew you reminded me of someone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HduwZNPOS3I
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Greetings Atheists
September 28, 2011 at 12:14 pm
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"Well, uh, you know, (some numbers), right, uh so, what, what, (some numbers), are we um, GODDIDIT!"
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