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Is atheism a belief?
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:03 pm
(December 18, 2018 at 9:22 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Jor, what's wrong with just agnostic. That's a wide enough net Dunno™

Bill Nye, along with his "large circle of atheist friends" says that we should all be grouped together as "agnostics."

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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:04 pm (This post was last modified: December 19, 2018 at 12:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The crushing majority of atheists are, also, agnostics. I understand why it doesn't seem that way to the faithful....their silly gods constantly being called what they are, bullshit. In one of the more hilarious situations the universe has to offer...atheists commonly have a more expansive concept of gods than the faithful do, allowing them to reject specific fairy tales without ruling out the entire set on account of a few ignorant religions.

Cold comfort to the religious, particularly in the western tradition..as they feel compelled to deny the existence of any god whatsoever if their fairy tales are as full of shit as they clearly are.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:06 pm
(December 19, 2018 at 12:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The crushing majority of atheists are, also, agnostics.

No disagreement there.  I think it's safe to say he's asserting it a bit further than that though.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:14 pm
(December 19, 2018 at 11:39 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: Who? You? Because he clearly stated that an agnostic is NOT saying "I dont know" in relation to a God existing but in relation to the contents of THIER OWN beliefs"...

The fact you gave that post a kudos shows who actually fails at reading comprehension.

(December 18, 2018 at 10:08 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: this is the agnostic position..you've not indicated that you don't know whether or not there are gods..but that you don't know the contents of your own beliefs.

Sure, sure, Huggy. Whatever floats your boat.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:16 pm (This post was last modified: December 19, 2018 at 12:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
@Max
Sure, understandable for a person who thinks that we can't know whether gods exist.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:20 pm
(December 19, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: @Max
Sure, understandable for a person who thinks that we can't know whether gods exist.

Agreed. Although I don't agree on his conclusion, I think he says some good things here, especially in how we can be diverse in how we value things.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:31 pm (This post was last modified: December 19, 2018 at 12:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Meh, Bills cool...but I think that this is more of a negotiation with the faithful than anything else. It won't work, lol.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 12:35 pm
(December 19, 2018 at 12:31 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Meh, Bills cool...but I think that this is more of a negotiation with the faithful than anything else.  It won't work, lol.

One of the problems in society is that we can too far in labeling things.  Sometimes it's necessary, but other times it creates divisions that don't need to exist.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 2:54 pm (This post was last modified: December 19, 2018 at 2:57 pm by Amarok.)
(December 19, 2018 at 12:14 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(December 19, 2018 at 11:39 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: Who? You? Because he clearly stated that an agnostic is NOT saying "I dont know" in relation to a God existing but in relation to the contents of THIER OWN beliefs"...

The fact you gave that post a kudos shows who actually fails at reading comprehension.

Sure, sure, Huggy.  Whatever floats your boat.
He also misses the part where even his own idea's denote ignorance
Quote:But it's not, that word has a prefix and a suffix attached to the root word of theos...
Nope A without -Theos God- Ism being a state or condition 


Quote:If theism is an ideology based on a god

Because it's not it's a state  of belief in god 


Quote:the a-theism is a ideology based on no god.
state or condition 


Quote:I don't see the difference...
Of course you don't
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 19, 2018 at 8:00 pm
(December 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:
(December 12, 2018 at 4:00 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: And it's clear you can't even understand what you're reading.

The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts do not identify themselves as a religion.
" loyalty to the religion that expresses them and acceptance of the duties resulting" ...

that means that the Scouts want them to be loyal their THEIR OWN religions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts...troversies
Quote:The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit those who are not willing to subscribe to the BSA's Declaration of Religious Principle, which is usually interpreted as banning atheists


(December 12, 2018 at 4:00 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You also conveniently didn't answer about Marxism and socialism .... both ideologies.

Because you're no longer talking about the same thing, those are systems of government, not a group of people practicing an ideology. Now I'd make a case that Nazis were part of a religion.

Nope. I'm talking about groups of PEOPLE who believe in in ideology. They may or may not be "systems of government".
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