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Disproof of Omnibenevolence
September 30, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Here's a straightforward experiment to use against an omni-benevolent deity argument you can try out for yourself that effectively counters every apologetic claim that 'god moves in mysterious ways' and allows suffering so as not to 'violate free will' etc etc or some 'master plan' and so on.
Simply say: "I wish I were never born"
An infinitely loving all-compassionate being should never have allowed that above statement to ever be conceived in the mind, let alone uttered aloud. Desiring non-existence and/or an end to your life thwarts absolute moral goodness absolutely.
Ergo, an all-loving god definitely does not exist. Or am I wrong?
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
September 30, 2011 at 6:18 pm
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2011 at 6:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
But you couldn't possibly, really, truly mean it. God is omniscient as well, of course. 
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
September 30, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Oh, but that's not god. That's Satan.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
October 1, 2011 at 10:38 am
(September 30, 2011 at 6:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: But you couldn't possibly, really, truly mean it. God is omniscient as well, of course. And those who went a step further and ended their own life? Or would proponents of an all-loving deity argue God was 'out' when those isolated events happened? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicides
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
October 1, 2011 at 10:43 am
Quote:Simply say: "I wish I were never born"
An infinitely loving all-compassionate being should never have allowed that above statement to ever be conceived in the mind,
Ye but in the afterlife it's OK to get pissed everyday and you're gonna need something to talk about. Back when I waz sufferen, ye we really suffered in my day, none of this namby pamby short sleeve long sleeve crap in my day.
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
October 1, 2011 at 11:55 am
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(September 30, 2011 at 7:54 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Oh, but that's not god. That's Satan.
I wonder if Satan was just God's alter-ego. I mean if God starts contradicting himself, be it Satan.
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
October 1, 2011 at 12:03 pm
(October 1, 2011 at 10:38 am)Welsh cake Wrote: And those who went a step further and ended their own life? Or would proponents of an all-loving deity argue God was 'out' when those isolated events happened?
No, he just lets the fuckers burn in hell, remember? 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
October 1, 2011 at 12:37 pm
If God was Satan, God would be the Atheist God. 
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
October 1, 2011 at 1:37 pm
(October 1, 2011 at 12:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If God was Satan, God would be the Atheist God. Technically monotheistic gods must be atheists by definition. They must lack a belief in a god or gods (if they exist of course).
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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RE: Disproof of Omnibenevolence
October 1, 2011 at 1:50 pm
(October 1, 2011 at 12:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If God was Satan, God would be the Atheist God.
Isn't Satan a Christian invention?
So God is Satan, but then god is everything anyway .
I think marshmallows are the not gods all atheists should recognise as such.
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