Purity Ball

[The Grand Nudger]

-and that explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

Hey bot, did atheists make whatever it is?

Why do you suppose they did it bot?

.......and that .....?....explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Hey bot, did atheists make whatever it is?

Why do you suppose they did it bot?

.......and that .....?....explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

They bother people.  That's it.  Constant yammering at everybody else.

[The Grand Nudger]

.......and that .....?....explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

They bother people.  That's it.  Constant yammering at everybody else.

......and.... that?........explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

They bother people.  That's it.  Constant yammering at everybody else.

......and.... that?........explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

Was it a parody?  I dunno.  If you say so.

[Amarok]

-and that explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

It's your propaganda.  Own it.

It's a freaking joke . So I'll own it as that and nothing more .

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......and.... that?........explains the fact that you managed to post a parody of jesus freak door knockers as though it demonstrated atheists were going door to door, how..exactly?

Was it a parody?  I dunno.  If you say so.

No it's definitely a parody written by a comedian and it's even listed as comedy

[Nakara]

The comments about how these girls are making a “choice” that they aren’t being “sex objects” either haven’t been around this or are very misguided. These aren’t adult women making the decision to be chaste without pressure. That would be fine.

Imagine you are a 12 year old girl. You have been brought up in a family and a community that teaches that women will need to submit to the headship of a man, and that the duty of a woman is to submit to male authority. You have been told that this is the path for a woman to be pleasing to god and go to heaven (with the implication that failure to do so leads to hell). You have been shielded from most pop media and told that our culture is decadent and sinful, focusing only on sex which devalues the PROPER role of women as submissive wife and mother. This is all you know and all you have been told your entire life.

Now imagine that your church/school is putting on this purity ball. Your family, friends, and church are really hyping this. They talk about how they’re committing themselves to purity and to god. You know your parents and friends all want you to do this.

Recall these can be young girls as young as 12. These girls are just starting puberty, have little to no knowledge of sex and haven’t begun their sexual development. Many don’t have true secondary sex characteristics. This is in addition to not being mentally fully developed. Add to this the incredible pressure and the fact these girls are completely dependent on those pushing this ceremony. This is not a free choice.

And that’s not even getting into the fact that it is true, boys don’t go through this. Sure, they may be told that abstinence is best, but they aren’t pressured for it. Girls are the ones who are told it is THEIR responsibility to avoid sex, tht boys simply can’t help themselves.

THIS is what I was trying to say earlier. You’ve explained it far better.

There isn’t just immense pressure by their peers to go through with this, but also a lifetime of being raised in this sort environment—they may even happily “choose” to go through with the purity ball, just as one would happily fast, not eat certain foods, wear certain clothing, participate in certain rituals, etc, since that was how they were raised to believe and behave. What’s most disturbing to me about all this, is this is simply another way to control people by raising them to self-shame and “control” themselves.

I’m not say these girls should go run around and fuck everything that moves—they just shouldn’t be shamed for their intimacy and sexuality, nor should they be valued based on their « purity », as if they were a used car or chewed piece of gum if they happened to not uphold their oath. People should be comfortable with themselves.

[Angrboda]

.......woooooooooosh



Same way that you could.  Go..let wonder lead you to knowledge.

If someone breaks a promise, it's on them.  Hopefully when someone makes a promise, they go out of their way to keep it.

I can only speak for myself here, but to me it's something I assume as being sacred and I don't use the word "promise" lightly.  If I promise something, I'm going to go above and beyond if necessary to uphold my end.  But if someone else views a promise differently, then they're going to act accordingly.

Yeah, as anyone has listened to you can attest, your word is worth absolutely dick squat. You're just another lying Christian hypocrite engaged in pious fiction.

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I am pleased to see this.

These young ladies realize their bodies are sacred, not just toys for men to mistreat.

I feel its bigoted to go after them. Leave the little ladies and their proud papas alone will ya?

Last I recall, these young ladies weren't old enough, mentally mature enough to consent to sex. If the choice is being made not to consent to sex, then who is really making that choice?

If you're not mentally mature enough to choose to consent to sex, then it would follow that you're not mentally mature enough to choose to refrain from granting consent to sex. This would seem like statutory rape in reverse, perpetrated by the churches and the parents. It's no secret that parents and culture have an enormous influence upon children, and it's natural that they should do so. But certain choices should be left to the individual who, upon reaching maturity, is equipped to make those choices. Encouraging children to make choices and commitments that they are not mentally prepared to make, simply in the hopes that various societal pressures and the force of their having supposedly voluntary committed to such will ensure their maintaining these ill gotten promises, is both unethical and abusive.

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As I’ve said, my comments come from my experience with this. I’m aware of how it’s marketed, and I’m also aware of how it is often done.

I also don’t think a 15-16 year old, who is usually who markets this, is an “adult woman” capable of freely making this choice. There is almost always an element of coercion. It is VERY RARE for a grown woman (read, in her 20’s) who is financially independent to make this choice. It happens, and they have my respect. But that isn’t what happens.

Some of the participants are adult women who had contracted STDs and recovered.  In light of it, they determined abstinence would be a good option until they are married.  That way there are less risks involved with it happening again.  I agree that some of it can be manipulative, but I don't believe it's fair to say it applies to all.  In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with a ball or making a promise, agreement, or covenant with someone else.  If you're forced into it, then that's something completely different.

Since he never said it applies to all, and he explicitly made an exception for that case, you're just erecting a straw man in order to have something to say.

“Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.”
― Plato

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The faithful commonly fail to recognize that their beliefs are deeply coercive..and on the odd moment that they do, generally list that as a pro, not a con.  It just comes with the territory of thinking that shit is right and good and proper.  This ends up covering for all manner of sins.

The unfaithful commonly fail to follow the idea of MYOB.  Instead, they bother anybody who thinks differently and are frequently insistent that you must adhere to their personal ideology instead.  If not, they will make insulting or degrading comments towards you, and insist that you must be inferior to them.

See, I can make those statements too.

Yeah, you can make statements, too. Unfortunately for you, your statements constitute a tu quoque, and so they don't carry as much weight as the original statements. But keep swinging, you low rent troll. Maybe you'll get a hit some day.

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I guess we'll have to add satire and parody to the list of things you're wholly ignorant of?

I'm not ignorant of it.  I just don't care for a lot of it.  Satire often creates more problems than it solves.

I simply refuse to believe that anybody can be this stupid. This HAS to be intentional.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

It's your propaganda.  Own it.

It's a freaking joke . So I'll own it as that and nothing more .

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Was it a parody?  I dunno.  If you say so.

No it's definitely a parody written by a comedian and it's even listed as comedy

Okay, fair enough.

At face value it's just some nutty atheists bothering people, but I guess it still is regardless.

[Amarok]

It's a freaking joke . So I'll own it as that and nothing more .

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No it's definitely a parody written by a comedian and it's even listed as comedy

Okay, fair enough.

At face value it's just some nutty atheists bothering people, but I guess it still is regardless.

No problem 

[LastPoet]

Last I recall, these young ladies weren't old enough, mentally mature enough to consent to sex.  If the choice is being made not to consent to sex, then who is really making that choice?

If you're not mentally mature enough to choose to consent to sex, then it would follow that you're not mentally mature enough to choose to refrain from granting consent to sex.  This would seem like statutory rape in reverse, perpetrated by the churches and the parents.  It's no secret that parents and culture have an enormous influence upon children, and it's natural that they should do so.  But certain choices should be left to the individual who, upon reaching maturity, is equipped to make those choices.  Encouraging children to make choices and commitments that they are not mentally prepared to make, simply in the hopes that various societal pressures and the force of their having supposedly voluntary committed to such will ensure their maintaining these ill gotten promises, is both unethical and abusive.

I believe this to be nothing but the grooming of human maers (sp?) In order to faithfull dads give them away as trade. It is obvious.

Other than that, me and my wife already have the plan that when my daughter reaches that age, my wife will explain the technical parts anout the menstruation, as she has first hand experience, and I will explain the scientific intricancies of human sexuality. *scared*

The emotional part of that will be hers to work with. I will give the support that I can.

It creeps me out, this daddy dearest purity thing.