Is atheism a belief?

[The Valkyrie]

Of you believe in a god you're a theist.

If you don't, you're an atheist.

Seriously, this isn't rocket science.

Abour 20% of people who identify as atheist, also believe in God.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...a42b25118a

I refer back to my previous statement.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Sure he is.  How can you determine if he's an atheist?  Maybe you're not a real atheist then.  Who gets to pick?

Of you believe in a god you're a theist.

If you don't, you're an atheist.

Seriously, this isn't rocket science.

That's your version.  We also have the atheists who have evolved and believe in God.  Of course, mystics as well, and other various atheist denominations, versions, or whatever else they may be called.  I'm guessing you have the minority edition, where you just don't believe "God" or "gods" exist.  That tends to be fashionable today

[The Valkyrie]

Of you believe in a god you're a theist.

If you don't, you're an atheist.

Seriously, this isn't rocket science.

That's your version.  We also have the atheists who have evolved and believe in God.  Of course, mystics as well, and other various atheist denominations, versions, or whatever else they may be called.  I'm guessing you have the minority edition, where you just don't believe "God" or "gods" exist.  That tends to be fashionable today

I see you belong to the "I'll just make shit up" school of theists.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

That's your version.  We also have the atheists who have evolved and believe in God.  Of course, mystics as well, and other various atheist denominations, versions, or whatever else they may be called.  I'm guessing you have the minority edition, where you just don't believe "God" or "gods" exist.  That tends to be fashionable today

I see you belong to the "I'll just make shit up" school of theists.

Well I don't actually know what group you associate with, as there are many.

[EgoDeath]

Delusional. SMH.

What's the difference between a cat that's a cat and a cat that's a dog? Atheism! NONBELIEVER IN DISBELIEF! Check out this book!

Bronze age fairy tales run my life. I'm in the realm of the gods and I'm on too much PCP.

The ramblings of a delusional schizophrenic.

Or, you know, a Christian.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Delusional. SMH.

What's the difference between a cat that's a cat and a cat that's a dog? Atheism! NONBELIEVER IN DISBELIEF! Check out this book!

Bronze age fairy tales run my life. I'm in the realm of the gods and I'm on too much PCP.

The ramblings of a delusional schizophrenic.

Or, you know, a Christian.

Guy, I don't know which version you adhere to.  15 years ago it was a lot different.  Now there are all many versions.  Anyway, you told me I couldn't show one, and I did.  What more do you want?  Mission accomplished.

[EgoDeath]

That's your version. We also have the atheists who have evolved and believe in God. Of course, mystics as well, and other various atheist denominations, versions, or whatever else they may be called. I'm guessing you have the minority edition, where you just don't believe "God" or "gods" exist. That tends to be fashionable today

I see you belong to the "I'll just make shit up" school of theists.

Yea a theist making shit up. Imagine that!

Delusional. SMH.

What's the difference between a cat that's a cat and a cat that's a dog? Atheism! NONBELIEVER IN DISBELIEF! Check out this book!

Bronze age fairy tales run my life. I'm in the realm of the gods and I'm on too much PCP.

The ramblings of a delusional schizophrenic.

Or, you know, a Christian.

Guy, I don't know which version you adhere to.  15 years ago it was a lot different.  Now there are all many versions.  Anyway, you told me I couldn't show one, and I did.  What more do you want?  Mission accomplished.

What exactly did you show me?

[Abaddon_ire]

What are you talking about? I'm not trying to change the definition. An atheist is a person who does not believe in god. Show me one atheist that would disagree with that. You can't. On to your next point.



Do you have evidence for a god? If so, you're the first theist in history to obtain such evidence. Please show us the evidence now so we can all stop the debating/discussing. Except, I'll bet everything I own you have no evidence, so let's move on to your next point.



Atheism is an inactive position. Are you actively not believing in magical space elves? No. You simply live your life as if they do not exist. Are you actively not being a coin collector? Are you actively not being a car salesman? No. So let's move on.

I'm not "demanding religious rights," what are you talking about?

Except that gnosticism versus agnosticism addresses the issue of knowledge. Theism versus atheism addresses the issue of belief. If you're gnostic about god's existence, you have knowledge that god exists. If you're agnostic about god's existence then you do not have knowledge that god exists. If you're a theist, you have a belief that god exists, if you're an atheist, you do not have a belief that god exists.

Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive ideas. While "agnostic" has, in recent years, taken on a colloquial meaning that's different from the technical definition, the correct way to identify yourself would technically be either an agnostic atheist or a gnostic atheist, and an agnostic theist or a gnostic theist.

Is this honestly that hard for you to understand? If so, you're way out your depth in this conversation. Now that we've cleared that up, on to the next point.



Dude, what are you talking about? I do not attend a church or sing hymns or anything that you're saying. What the fuck are you talking about?

I can't?  Here ya go.  Next...

You keep spamming that book even though you haven't read it. Have a quote from the author...

"I do not always believe, let alone know, if God exists. I do not always know he, she, or it does not exist either, though there are long patches in my life when it seems God never did exist."

Perhaps that might give you a hint at his chosen title. 

But I doubt you have the wit. Or the honesty.

[Acrobat]

I can't?  Here ya go.  Next...

You keep spamming that book even though you haven't read it. Have a quote from the author...

"I do not always believe, let alone know, if God exists. I do not always know he, she, or it does not exist either, though there are long patches in my life when it seems God never did exist."

Perhaps that might give you a hint at his chosen title. 

But I doubt you have the wit. Or the honesty.

I also previously cited that 1 in 5 self identifying atheists also claim to believe in God.

So there’s a lot more than the guy who wrote that book.

There are also plenty of agnostic who don’t accept the typical definitions of atheism/agnosticism often presented in places like this, like Neil Tyson, Carl Sagan, Noam Chomsky, Huxley etc...

They define their agnosticism as distinct from atheism.

I hold to this distinction and definition, because the distinction most theists find useful, is between belief and lack of belief, not between knowing and not knowing, which exists in the traditional agnostic/atheist distinction, but not in the newly formulated ones.

If most people here merely lack a belief one way or the other when it’s come to the question of God, they’d fall under the category of agnostic. If they believe God doesn’t exist, they’d fall under the category of atheist.

[The Grand Nudger]

If most people here merely lack a belief one way or the other when it’s come to the question of God, they’d fall under the category of agnostic.

Agnostic atheists, yeah.  They do, they keep telling folks that, but there's a type of person that's just so fucking dense they'll never hear it, lol.

If they believe God doesn’t exist, they’d fall under the category of atheist.

Yep, also atheists..though they could -also- be agnostic atheists. The only people who -aren't- agnostic atheists are the ones who -know- that god does not exist. Gnostic atheism.