Road Rules and jerks.....

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't assume people on the road are considerate, attentive or concerned with safety because observation has proven reliable.

Good on you.  Can't count the number of times these considerate, attentive, safety-concerned people have tried to kill me.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Watch the Russian Car Crash Channel on Youtube, you'll get a better feel for what speed does.

[fredd bear]

Watch the Russian Car Crash Channel on Youtube, you'll get a better feel for what speed does.

 OK I will.

I also saw the results of a high speed crash going through the Italian alps, where there don't  seem to be any speed limits. Yuchhh.

[EgoDeath]

Well you're continuing character assassination really makes no difference to me, I just find it quite rude. I don't assume people on the road are considerate, attentive or concerned with safety because observation has proven reliable. I don't feel I have an obligation to move out of another car's way even though I often do for safety sake. That doesn't mean I'm not compassionate and courteous. You are framing this incorrectly that the two are mutually exclusive. I can be a overly cautious (read cynical) defensive driver and courteous, which is exactly the opposite of the characterization you're making of me. Never did I state it's a race, or that I'm prone to speeding. If you're only alarm is that I'm characterizing drivers by not assuming we're all just flowing along the same path safely and attentively to get to our respective destinations, it's accurate, and very naive of you to hold that position.

"Character assassination?" Oh my. What, are you running for political office? Relax, man. Christians and their persecution complex. Wow. You've come off as pretty angry and irritable about other people on the road throughout this entire conversation; I'm just going off of what I'm reading. You come off as a soccer dad with road rage.

Also, I don't ASSUME people are going to do anything on the road and neither should you, I keep my eyes open and stay alert; constantly watching everyone. However, I've found most people are driving just fine, for the most part. If it tickles your clit to call that "naive," then cool, I don't really care. I've never been in a single accident or received a single speeding ticket in my life.

Did get a parking ticket once. Oh well. Drive safe bud.

[tackattack]

@PRJA93 @EgoDeath No you're reading your own inflection and bias into typed in words. So you don't assume someone will be merging unless you see a blinker? Let's be real, you do make assumptions. It's part of your "watching everyone and being alert". However, both of those are reactive driving without assumptions and intuitions made. The safest driving is legal, cordial, reactive, proactive and biased with safer than sorry approach. I agree with you that a zipper merge would be far safer and better for traffic IF all drivers were on the same page. It's to bigof an IF, IMO. Much like the metric system here in the US, I see it falling flat because we Americans are like a bunch of cats, more often than not.

[EgoDeath]

@PRJA93 @EgoDeath No you're reading your own inflection and bias into typed in words. So you don't assume someone will be merging unless you see a blinker? Let's be real, you do make assumptions. It's part of your "watching everyone and being alert". However, both of those are reactive driving without assumptions and intuitions made. The safest driving is legal, cordial, reactive, proactive and biased with safer than sorry approach. I agree with you that a zipper merge would be far safer and better for traffic IF all drivers were on the same page. It's to bigof an IF, IMO. Much like the metric system here in the US, I see it falling flat because we Americans are like a bunch of cats, more often than not.

I think you knew what I meant by saying, "I don't assume anything" - don't be disingenuous.

You've openly insulted other people on the road multiple times in this thread - it's not my own bias, I'm simply reading what you've typed. You seem like an angry driver. Period. It's not as if you said, "Whew this morning was busy on the road," and then I responded, "So you hate everyone else who drives? You're an angry guy!" - THAT would be applying my own projections. In this case, I've simply read what you wrote, right here in black and white.

So, I'm glad you've conceded that the zipper merge is better for traffic. Thanks for proving my point. The issue is, the zipper merge WON'T work when people like you say, "I have no obligation to let you over!" and blocks another driver and prevents them from safely merging at the bottle neck. So yea, dicks like you keep it from working.

That being said, I've seen it work in real life multiple times, so it's not really the "flop" you try to describe it as. Saying, "It won't work here in the US" is cynical and dismissive. The key is better education for drivers - hopefully it's something they are teaching in driving schools.

[tackattack]

I wasn't being disingenuous, I was simply reading what you wrote and not assuming any inflection behind it. Why does stating I have no obligation to do anything make me a dick? Is that where you stop reading. ex. I have no obligation to give people money, but I do anyways when the moment strikes me. Does that sentence indicate I'm generous or a dick? Maybe reordering the presentation the phrase will be a little clearer.

"when merging and allowing merged cars on interstates or around road construction I usually apply the zipper method."
"It's a courtesy and I usually have no problems allowing people in"
"If I'm stuck in the feeder lane I usually attempt to time my speed to allow for a gap, nominally though I just get over to the left lane. "
Yet, I'm don't legally or socially have to let people over. If that makes me a dick than I'm a 10 ft wiener.

It's not dismissive, it's assumptive. It's not being taught in enough states to make a difference nationwide (5 so far). The road incidents I've seen here in the states point to lack of attention being the worst causes of accidents and as peple's attention can barely be kept on the road, it's unlikely the waning attention spans of Americans will accept a zipper style adoption prior to automated driving cars adoption. If you look at how they are implemented in interstate mergers here the light is not at the merger lane end, but the beginning. They zipper 2 on ramp lanes together prior to the merger and space them for integration into the main stream. There are better methods than education and the simple end of the merger zipper. I think both of your points are moot, better than current free for all method possibly, but not really a viable solution for here in the US long term.

[EgoDeath]

I wasn't being disingenuous, I was simply reading what you wrote and not assuming any inflection behind it. Why does stating I have no obligation to do anything make me a dick? Is that where you stop reading. ex. I have no obligation to give people money, but I do anyways when the moment strikes me. Does that sentence indicate I'm generous or a dick? Maybe reordering the presentation the phrase will be a little clearer.

"when merging and allowing merged cars on interstates or around road construction I usually apply the zipper method."
"It's a courtesy and I usually have no problems allowing people in"
"If I'm stuck in the feeder lane I usually attempt to time my speed to allow for a gap, nominally though I just get over to the left lane. "
Yet, I'm don't legally or socially have to let people over. If that makes me a dick than I'm a 10 ft wiener.

It's not dismissive, it's assumptive. It's not being taught in enough states to make a difference nationwide (5 so far). The road incidents I've seen here in the states point to lack of attention being the worst causes of accidents and as peple's attention can barely be kept on the road, it's unlikely the waning attention spans of Americans will accept a zipper style adoption prior to automated driving cars adoption. If you look at how they are implemented in interstate mergers here the light is not at the merger lane end, but the beginning. They zipper 2 on ramp lanes together prior to the merger and space them for integration into the main stream. There are better methods than education and the simple end of the merger zipper. I think both of your points are moot, better than current free for all method possibly, but not really a viable solution for here in the US long term.

Zipper merge is superior and you've already conceded to that (which you failed to at first). This was my only point. This discussion is going nowhere. That you're now trying to change the argument into whether or not you're an angry driver is testament to how disingenuous you're being. And to be honest, I don't care. Be safe out there. Learn to let people over.

Thanks for coming.

[tackattack]

Zipper merge is superior to a free for all, which I did admit after my initial point. I don't feel it is going to fix the most prevalent type of crashes I've seen from experience, was my point initially. It's not better than ramp meters, which is just one alternative, which I made and you dismissed. Neither stance undermines the overriding lawfulness that people merging must merge into traffic safely, which was my overarching point. Neither stance or method prevents me from being the courteous and safe driver that I am, which was my alternate point after being called a disingenuous dick.

"The interchange has become such a sore spot that state traffic engineers are building a ramp meter there. The alternating red and green light will portion out the traffic entering the interstate, providing timed intervals between vehicles, rather than allowing multiple vehicles to enter the freeway at once...ramp meters reduce collisions by 30%..." specifically on rear ending on ramp collisions which are the predominant amount of merging collisions -http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/nov/12/getting-there-what-if-the-yield-gave-way-to-the-me/

The conversation was still continuing until you declared it not to. You claimed I was being dismissive and I extrapolated why I summed up my thoughts saying that zippers would be useless in the US and why. If you would just like to dismiss those points or these because you disagree then go ahead, it's expected of you. I only ever discussed your POV might be naive if it is X. At no other time did I even characterize my thoughts about you personally. For me being the disingenuous dick, it sure seems all indicators are pointing the opposite direction, but I don't really care enough to make the assertion.

[EgoDeath]

Zipper merge is superior to a free for all, which I did admit after my initial point. I don't feel it is going to fix the most prevalent type of crashes I've seen from experience, was my point initially. It's not better than ramp meters, which is just one alternative, which I made and you dismissed. Neither stance undermines the overriding lawfulness that people merging must merge into traffic safely, which was my overarching point. Neither stance or method prevents me from being the courteous and safe driver that I am, which was my alternate point after being called a disingenuous dick.

"The interchange has become such a sore spot that state traffic engineers are building a ramp meter there. The alternating red and green light will portion out the traffic entering the interstate, providing timed intervals between vehicles, rather than allowing multiple vehicles to enter the freeway at once...ramp meters reduce collisions by 30%..." specifically on rear ending on ramp collisions which are the predominant amount of merging collisions -http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/nov/12/getting-there-what-if-the-yield-gave-way-to-the-me/

The conversation was still continuing until you declared it not to. You claimed I was being dismissive and I extrapolated why I summed up my thoughts saying that zippers would be useless in the US and why. If you would just like to dismiss those points or these because you disagree then go ahead, it's expected of you. I only ever discussed your POV might be naive if it is X. At no other time did I even characterize my thoughts about you personally. For me being the disingenuous dick, it sure seems all indicators are pointing the opposite direction, but I don't really care enough to make the assertion.

I just don't see a point in continuing the conversation. You've learned zipper merge is better for traffic; which was the only point I was making in the post you responded to. Now that we've established that, there's nothing else to talk about. You saying you're a nice and courteous driver is a bit contrary to a few of the attitudes you've espoused in this thread, but I won't pretend to know how you are in real life, I can only go off what you've given me here. So, yea, not really much more to say on the subject.

Your "I know you are but what am I" comment is duly noted, though. Thanks.