Iowa is not Chicago.......

[Brian37]

Yet a 25 year old woman was still shot and killed while driving home.


One thing about the quote in this article I always take issue with, is when people say "senseless". Um no, it makes perfect sense when you hand firearms out like candy things like this happen unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/30/us/iowa-f...index.html

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The first year I rode a bus to school, fifth grade, a kid opened fire on the bus to settle a grudge with another kid. His daddy had bought him a Luger for Xmas that year. First day back on the bus and one dead, two injured. I'm holding a first grader's arm to stop the bleeding and she's going insane. I got two black eyes of out that. Her father later scolded me for "scaring" her. I couldn't let her bleed out.

[Brian37]

The first year I rode a bus to school, fifth grade, a kid opened fire on the bus to settle a grudge with another kid. His daddy had bought him a Luger for Xmas that year. First day back on the bus and one dead, two injured. I'm holding a first grader's arm to stop the bleeding and she's going insane. I got two black eyes of out that. Her father later scolded me for "scaring" her. I couldn't let her bleed out.

Holy shit, you never told me that. What year was that? My point for asking is, neither you or I are spring chickens. 

I really am sick of this bullshit fear peddling coming from the industry, and the NRA/NSSF and the GOP.

If everyone agrees they want less firearm violence, it all starts with the factories and shops at point of sale.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That was the year before Kennedy was killed.

[Brian37]

That was the year before Kennedy was killed.

That is my point. Back then something like you described was far less frequent. We don't live in a perfect world and firearms will  never be 100% banned. But we shouldn't have the attitude as a nation to assume that rights are as simple as "no record" at time of sale. We don't hand out pilot's licences to passenger airlines simply because someone wants to be a pilot. 

I am sure that daddy bought his legally, and the kid most likely wouldn't have had a criminal record.

I am so sick of the right thinking better vetting is a bad thing.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And no responsible gun owner shows a first grader how to operate a handgun and then leaves it out for him to find and take to school.

[Brian37]

And no responsible gun owner shows a first grader how to operate a handgun and then leaves it out for him to find and take to school.

Right, but this cuts to the easy access issue.

It is not enough at the point of sale to simply say "they have no record". 

Our allies like Australia and Japan, still allow firearm ownership. It is a lie to say they do not. They do. But what they do, that America does not, is insure whomever buys it, isn't going to get stupid after the buy.  And they are far quicker to take them away from people who do get stupid after the buy.

If someone is a responsible gun owner, and they do exist, then they should want the industry and shops to vet better, so that only responsible buyers have them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The local guns shops in the town Mom lived in sold guns to the Y-donor long after they knew he had ALZ. He bought one in his underwear once. Took it home that day. "He's a known customer, no need to get redundant." I took a box of handguns and a duffel stuffed with long guns when he kicked it. The local stores had the brass to come by and ask Mom to "settle up his accounts." She referred them to me.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You don't know the difference between Austria and Australia.  Maybe Iowa IS Chicago...

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's only about five feet away, certainly.