So what happened?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Like, for example, in Drich's reply to me they posted about a 'Heat exchanger' being placed at the bottom of the hole.

Uhm... I'm pretty sure a heat exchanger neeeds a good differential of temeperature (Hot on one side, cold on the other) to work well. Putting it in nothing but heat or cold and it'l not do much of anything.

Not to mention that he hasn't realised that the heat energy in the water needs to be lost to the system in order for it to be efficiently pumped down again which means that the system is finite and therefore not perpetual.

But he's redefined perpetual to now mean finite but longer than civilisation rather than forever which is what he originally said.

He's clearly a refrigeration technician rather than an engineer. He doesn't seem to have grasped the concepts of free energy that can perform work and thermodynamic gradients.

He also doesn't understand what a closed system is.

[Athene]

What Drich isn't telling anyone is that the use of a small child on the inside performing manual tasks will be required in order for this so-called perpetual motion machine to function.

[I_am_not_mafia]

What Drich isn't telling anyone is that the use of a small child on the inside performing manual tasks will be required in order for this so-called perpetual motion machine to function.

All you have to do is hit it enough times.

[Mister Agenda]

Aww, Drich, you didn't have to take time out of your busy schedule to tell me you're going to keep on being an asshole who can't even comprehend, let alone exercise, basic courtesy. That was always a given. You've been around here long enough that regulars already know what you are. New people can just read this thread.

this thread spawn 5 other threads of real questions. I answered each and every one. then the follow up and those follow up then the vultures came is when they saw I was not loosing the theological arguments. Then like it always does it turns into Drich is a liar or drich can spell so everything he says and does is stupid and or wrong ect.. So what do I do. I challenge those challenges. because they are baseless they tend to blow up in the accuser face. which again gives the perception that I am an ass hole. To which again I would like to point to the 4 very civil threads this thread spawned till the anti theist took over.

I can be as nice as pie or as mean as you think you are. either way I know how to make progress in a conversation.

You're just as much an asshole to people being polite to you Drich, if they don't agree with you. That's one of the things that makes you an asshole, along with your seeming impression that you're not being insulting as long as you don't use 'bad words'.

[Drich]

this thread spawn 5 other threads of real questions. I answered each and every one. then the follow up and those follow up then the vultures came is when they saw I was not loosing the theological arguments. Then like it always does it turns into Drich is a liar or drich can spell so everything he says and does is stupid and or wrong ect.. So what do I do. I challenge those challenges. because they are baseless they tend to blow up in the accuser face. which again gives the perception that I am an ass hole. To which again I would like to point to the 4 very civil threads this thread spawned till the anti theist took over.

I can be as nice as pie or as mean as you think you are. either way I know how to make progress in a conversation.

You're just as much an asshole to people being polite to you Drich, if they don't agree with you. That's one of the things that makes you an asshole, along with your seeming impression that you're not being insulting as long as you don't use 'bad words'.

Its not disagreeing that is the problem. I have had very long and drawn out discussion some lasting weeks with out issue.. When issue comes up it is not a disagreement that is the problem. It is I will answer something topically, then maybe get a topical rebuttal, then I will refute that often times with references then out come the personal attacks and insults.

Again look at this thread. I spawned 4 or 5 other threads.. one by a member who ask 5 questions in his thread I took several hours to look up and read and reread and proofed as much as I could to make sure their could be no default to dummy arguments.  and he has nothing else to say in his own thread. 4 pages of dialog and no responses to my answers. which was fine, but then he came back to this thread with the personal insults based on nothing..

I use to ignore these insults and all it got me was one word dismissals, I let people call me names and all that needed to be said from then one was oh, drich doesn't know what he is talking about or drich is stupid and that was it.

Honestly what I think it is.. you guys are use to crushing christians and do not like any push back. why? because what most of you think is not your own thoughts. your beliefs centers around a common belief or Anti-god script. and when anyone seriously challenges or changes or points out a key element that show the script to be in error, you can not follow topically because none of you has really ut the time or effort in. in essence all you have is a popular excuse as to why you don't want to believe and that is enough for you because it seems like a legit reason on the surface, and you do not like being reminded how shallow you religious beliefs are.

The primary reason for me saying this is the lack of topical discussion and discourse. Don't get me wrong there are members who know their stuff. but the majority when face with a topical problem they can not answer they will attack the messenger/me in order to discredit the message. Otherwise wouldn't destroying the message with science logic and reason be a much more effective way of handling the matter? look at how other christians are dealt with look at how you all disassemble the muslim faith when it is argued.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Otherwise wouldn't destroying the message with science logic and reason be a much more effective way of handling the matter?

Problem is that you are incapable of recognising when your argument is destroyed. Even when you have to shift the goal posts, for example, by redefining what perpetual means.

[Drich]

We didn't come looking for you.  You came here, supposedly to enlighten us with your vast knowledge of God.  How's that been working out for you?

Actually I come here for your questions as all of mine have been answered. by helping you all with your questions the more I get to learn about God, or the more refined my answers get.

as for helping me it does wonders as you all when you can stay on topic help me better refine a answer for those who are indeed looking for the truth. Right now I am still compiling information and putting into a series of q&A scripts.

The only ass you may have been handed or handled is your own.

teeth.. I kick in teeth.
Not much on handling other peoples asses.

You do know that anyone can change the information on Wikipedia, right?  It's about as reliable as your good book.

know know not anyone can change the information Source material on wikipedia right?

Wiki is a research tool smarty.. yes there are descriptions definitions and a summary but that is all tertiary material.. it commentary. wiki value is in the reference material that most of you ignore. Those are primary and secondary sources to which no one can alter. if you did not know primary and secondary materials trump any tertiary material or commentaries.

That is what is wrong with most of you. everything is either good or bad. you can not see the value in anything labeled bad and you can not see the faults in anything labeled good. This is the foundational mindset of a racist.. do you see the point yet? you stop reading at the word racists and starte gearing up a defence because racist bad m'kay racist is bad. so me not have to think any more.

like wise you see wiki.. wiki not good meaning everything wiki bad.

Here's the thing. I like wiki put my own ideas or interpretation out there, and like it or not it is a tertiary compilation of established sourced material. meaning I am not just speaking from a vacuum. I have several sources to back what I say up. because you have too when everyone challenges everything you think say or do. simply because it is a little different than what the rank in file are taught to think and believe. So even if you do not like my summary there is always a source you have to contend with and can not just dismiss me as so many of you try and do by ignoring the evidence and scientific facts i bring to the discussion..

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Just proving a point to Drich with this.  Not that I expect him to understand.

I get just want you to tie everything together.. other wise this is no different than doing search of every single post I have done at AF.org and say these are your errors.. Math has already beat you to that punch line, so I challenge you to see if you can compile a list of times where what I said was proven topically wrong from what you posted..

Note sport you only posted my topical responses you did not show one person showing me conclusively where and how I am wrong.

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I found a energy source to run a machine indefinitely/1000 years past the point any sentient being presence on the planet to point out it did not indeed run forever.

Lol the fact the earth is not eternal 

hey dumb ass, the definition of perpetual motion is not an eternally  functioning machine.. that is you small closed minded definition. that is not the real definition

This is the real definition:
per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
"the planet is in perpetual motion"
the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
"the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"

Do you see the embolden bit? would run forever UNLESS wear, means natural parts failure like say the planet dying.. The definition allows one of the machines main components failure causing the machine to stop, The definition still considers it a perpetual motion machine. 

By the time you can not drill a hole deep enough for this to work, everything n the surface will be long dead.

No one needs to be there to know the earth will not last forever 

what does failure due to wear and tear mean? what does that allow?
Again if you do not know if a component fails due to old age and brings the machine to a halt... by that definition it is still a perpetual motion machine.

So summed up this rant fails

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because i just came up with it when challenged

Yes you did delude yourself just now . In defiance of every single thing we know .

It fails only because your definition of perpetual motion demands the machine run forever. in real life the understanding of one of these machines includes maintenance. If the core fails, life on the planet stops, and if all life stop there is no one to maintain the machine and eventually it too will fail/stop. But again the definition allow for this type of stop or failure. So by the real world definition the 'rant' stands. again it only fails when you make the rules. and you don't. so...
I'm kinda still the only one right here.

I also came up with a way to reconcile all of evolutionary theory with a literal 7 day creation without changing a word in either narrative, and have not cashed in here either.

No you didn't
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actually I didn't, God gave it to me in flashes out of sequence.. the whole process took about 15 mins. much like this perpetual motion thing took 2 mins and none of you can break that idea either..

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and i do not think you understand the definition of perpetual motion machine.. even after I posted it.

wear and tear would consume the machine before the radiation of the core would stop producing enough heat to cause a fuel failure.

Meaning core fails with in 10 years all life ends, yet the machine will continue on till the bearing fails, or a pipe develops a leak or a rubber oring cracks and fails or 1000 other wear and tear things happens... which again is included in the defination.

Meaning the definition of perpetual motion machine makes allowances for wear and tear. which again will hapen long long before the machine runs out of fuel/heat.

Ahhhh,  I got it!    


A perpetual motion machine is a machine so poorly designed, so shabbily constructed, and so sloppily maintained that it is guaranteed to break down before its energy source runs out!


Well, Drich, have I got a lot of perpetual motion machines for you!

you have no idea what you are even talking about. there is no design there is no construction there is no maintenance. there is only conjecture and the potential for this machine to last the duration as we can sustain life on the planet and perhaps several millennia after man has all died out. Wehave not discussed building material pipe joints or joining material turbine or energy conversion or anything. I simply point out if we used a closed loop system there would be no "fuel" and this power station could run fitting the definition of a perpetual motion machine. I gave a couple ideas on how coolant could be used instead of water tapping into more heat but at the same time taking less heat from the hole. via a heat exchanger rather than pumping water down. it would now be in a closed look system..

The only thing you understand...  this this conversation is way way over your head and you still want to contribute despite looking like a fool doing so.

[Drich]

Wow! This guy gives a whole new meaning to the term " batshit crazy". This is an entirely new level of insanity.

Oh no, not really.

I used to post on a science forum where one of the members swore blind they were developing a water powered, anti-gravity capable Land Rover in their back yard garage and that "Any day now they'd be flying off to the Moon!" to prove we forum nay-sayers wrong.

Lots of "spin energy this' and 'Electro-voltanic' that stlye words were used in said person's explanations/justifications/ranting.

Drich is pretty undrestandable pretty much all of the time.

Like, for example, in Drich's reply to me they posted about a 'Heat exchanger' being placed at the bottom of the hole.

Uhm... I'm pretty sure a heat exchanger neeeds a good differential of temeperature (Hot on one side, cold on the other) to work well. Putting it in nothing but heat or cold and it'l not do much of anything.

As a quick summation.

Cheers.

Not at work.

Glob...

you haven't read anything to this point... yet you feel you know enough to comment.. dunning krugers brother anyone?

So let me stop everything and allow you to catch up so you have the potential to understand what I am saying.. realize it and rather than admit me being right you fall back into the silence whence you came cussing and claiming I am ignorant happily ignoring the science behind it all.

So in 1990s Russia stopped drilling a hole they had been working on for some time. why? because at the bottom of this hole. the temps where over 356*F or 180*C they could not keep the equipment cool nor could the could the rill the rock because they said at that temp it is more like thick hot plastic rather than rock.

So there sport is your heat source. (one side hot)

Now if you pump water down that means it is cooler that 100*C or 212*F (one side cold)

There is your differential. (one side hot and one side cold)

Why because the hole where the heat exchanger is places is at 356*F/180*C

That is a delta of 144*F or 80*C

Meaning there is far more energy available than what is needed to create steam.

So why the heat exchanger? because it allows you to seal the system and use a coolant instead of straight water. The coolant can be also be used to transfer the heat to boilers on the surface which are also inclosed or sealed OR the heat exchanger can be also used as a boiler if that turns out more efficiently.AND it allows you the ability to meter how much water or coolant is run through the system as to not take too much heat out of the hole at one time. IE we only take in heat what can be replaced by the earth. However if this works anything like a normal thermal vent power station we won't be able to pump enough cold water in to change the temp of the hole.

[Deesse23]

[Peebothuhlu]

I do get what you're saying Drich.

I just think there are some problems with your thinking in regards to the situation.

So. The hole was drilled for... I really don't know why. To test their gear for when they wanted to exploit other, possibly other.different oil bearing layers? *Shrug*

That it gets hotter the deeper one delve beneath the ground is not a phenomenon only known to drillers. Pretty sure there are some gold and diamond mines in Africa where the delve temperatures are also ridonculous at the depths in which they are extracting the metals or minerals.

In the case of pushing water down a deep bore hole. Well... it's not just going to suddenly get hot at the bottom. (Of course, various methods of insulation could be involved for added complesity and net energy loss to the system but again... *Shrug*) It;s going to have heat transferred into it all through its descent.

I do agree that putting water at into the hole to allow the latent heat of the planet to trun it into stream is a good idea.
The problem I see, As iterated by Anomalocaris, is that over time the surrounding rock's temperature eventually drops faster that the further surrounding material can radiate heat energy into it.
So, in effect, you are cooling a section of the Earth's mantle by 'drawing off' the heat in a certain spot.
Then, as I said, there the problem of cross connecting the bore holes.
Now, if you want to dig a shaft to such ridonculous depths and thence cross connect those? That's a lot more material and stresses involved. Hence a lot more expense. But, you'll agree, still a viable alternate method.

As for the 'Heat exchanger' thing? Again, you have to keep a high differential gradent between the two 'bits' (Layers? Levels?) to gain the most out of things. Something that'd seem pretty hard to do when everything at the depths we're talking about wants to be really hot. Again, youre potentially adding tons of extra complications with insulation etc.

Still, indeed, go geo-thermal power and wind power and solar power and atomic power. We should be using all the power we can and spreading it around to allow folks acces to cheaper costs for their utilites.

Cheers.

Not at work.