Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are "not cinema"

[EgoDeath]

I understand the ever-delectable Jennifer Aniston is now bagging on MCU.  I think I have a solution:

If you don't like comic book films,

1) Don't make them.

2) Don't watch them.

Boru

Well, I think people in Hollywood are giving their opinions on them for good reason: a lot of people see a problem with the current state of cinema.

Should people only share their opinions if they agree with you?

Reading creates a kind of intellectual distance which is not easy to maintain watching a movie, with all of the in-your-face techniques a movie employs.

So movies are better for emotional impacts and books are better for details and intellectual content. To me that means whatever serious content a movie might have tends to be undermined by the methods employed to convey it.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying, though I'm not sure I agree 100%.

These days, I am more inclined to define efforts as "art" in accordance with their methods rather than their content. Art is about applying attention to attract attention from others. That is done through a variety of methods, including the display of talent, spectacle, action, emotion, color, contrast, texture, story-telling, empathy, and so on. Whether something succeeds as art is measured by the attention it attracts, including long-term attention. That's why it's so hard to judge art in the present, but much easier from the past. Better quality art gets sorted out over time by what people continue to find interesting.

Well, I don't think we can judge a piece of arts quality by how popular it gets.

[LastPoet]

How do you differentiate between the tactics authors use from the tactics directors use, outside of the obvious difference in medium?

And how does that affect the seriousness of the message?

Reading creates a kind of intellectual distance which is not easy to maintain watching a movie, with all of the in-your-face techniques a movie employs.

So movies are better for emotional impacts and books are better for details and intellectual content.  To me that means whatever serious content a movie might have tends to be undermined by the methods employed to convey it.

I think all forms of art can be entertainment and still convey a serious message, if done correctly.

That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with The Avengers... but to call it art? I'd say that's a stretch.

These days, I am more inclined to define efforts as "art" in accordance with their methods rather than their content.  Art is about applying attention to attract attention from others.  That is done through a variety of methods, including the display of talent, spectacle, action, emotion, color, contrast, texture, story-telling, empathy, and so on.  Whether something succeeds as art is measured by the attention it attracts, including long-term attention.  That's why it's so hard to judge art in the present, but much easier from the past.  Better quality art gets sorted out over time by what people continue to find interesting.

Heh, give me a good physics or math book and I will devour it. I don't understand art. I went to a museum the other day with a friend and she said that painting was a "dead nature" (some fruits in a basket etc).

Yep, art is not my thing. But I enjoy a good movie. I haven't used money for those CGI cinema thinguies. What happened to comics?

[EgoDeath]

I read Watchmen when I was younger; never could get into comics outside of that, if you consider a graphic novel a comic.

[LastPoet]

I read Watchmen when I was younger; never could get into comics outside of that, if you consider a graphic novel a comic.

Are you replying to me? I will throw a big tantrum if you are and haven't quoted or tagged directly

ETA: You also are a pussy if you were and didn't. Dumbarse.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I read Watchmen when I was younger; never could get into comics outside of that, if you consider a graphic novel a comic.

Never saw any difference.

[EgoDeath]

I read Watchmen when I was younger; never could get into comics outside of that, if you consider a graphic novel a comic.

Are you replying to me? I will throw a big tantrum if you are and haven't quoted or tagged directly

ETA: You also are a pussy if you were and didn't. Dumbarse.

Wow. Calm down bud.

I read Watchmen when I was younger; never could get into comics outside of that, if you consider a graphic novel a comic.

Never saw any difference.

I mean, I agree, but some purists would throw a fit if you compared a graphic novel to a comic book.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, I think people in Hollywood are giving their opinions on them for good reason: a lot of people see a problem with the current state of cinema.

Should people only share their opinions if they agree with you?

When and where did I say they shouldn't share their opinions? Great honk, they can share their opinions from now til the heat death of the universe for all of me.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I read Watchmen when I was younger; never could get into comics outside of that, if you consider a graphic novel a comic.

Never saw any difference.

Graphic novels cost more.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I mean, I agree, but some purists would throw a fit if you compared a graphic novel to a comic book.

Shock and dismay flashed across my features.

I've run into those folks. When pressed they seem to be channeling Stan Lee as the only one who could tell the difference.

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Never saw any difference.

Graphic novels cost more.

Boru

So, marketed to adults with more disposable income but no better idea of how they differ except for price.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I mean, I agree, but some purists would throw a fit if you compared a graphic novel to a comic book.

Shock and dismay flashed across my features.  

I've run into those folks. When pressed they seem to be channeling Stan Lee as the only one who could tell the difference.

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Graphic novels cost more.

Boru

So, marketed to adults with more disposable income but no better idea of how they differ except for price.

Yar, I was agreeing.  There's really no difference beyond marketing.

Boru