Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?

[WinterHold]

You post a propaganda rightist post that has nothing to do with the OP; [...] You're a bot. Your way of posting is not different from Klorophil.

It has to do with you saying that Muslims who think apostasy should be punished by death are terrorists and I tried to show you how then you would have to call most Muslims terrorists because apostasy is punishable by death in 13 countries, but instead of you addressing that issue you proclaim me as a problem. Yeah, in 13 Muslim countries apostasy is punished by death and I am the main problem.

And who practices these laws; bot?
Or is it just a message you repeat over and over?

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Now everybody sees how this bot doesn't want the flow of the op to happen.
He keeps opening side debates that already were discussed in this forum for years, and I have topics -existing right now in the first page of the Islamic section- to discuss them.

[LastPoet]

It has to do with you saying that Muslims who think apostasy should be punished by death are terrorists and I tried to show you how then you would have to call most Muslims terrorists because apostasy is punishable by death in 13 countries, but instead of you addressing that issue you proclaim me as a problem. Yeah, in 13 Muslim countries apostasy is punished by death and I am the main problem.

And who practices these laws; bot?
Or is it just a message you repeat over and over?

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Now everybody sees how this bot doesn't want the flow of the op to happen.
He keeps opening side debates that already were discussed in this forum for years, and I have topics -existing right now in the first page of the Islamic section- to discuss them.

You do not have any authority or own any thread on this forum, to tell people how to reply. You don't have the mental fortitude to distinguish between bot, troll or anything of the like, you are dumb enough to think Khlorophil is MysticKnight. I can agree both are dumb towel heads, but kloro isn't that fucked in the head.

You better let moderators do their job instead of running away from objections to your propositions, coward.

[WinterHold]

And who practices these laws; bot?
Or is it just a message you repeat over and over?

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Now everybody sees how this bot doesn't want the flow of the op to happen.
He keeps opening side debates that already were discussed in this forum for years, and I have topics -existing right now in the first page of the Islamic section- to discuss them.

You do not have any authority or own any thread on this forum, to tell people how to reply. You don't have the mental fortitude to distinguish between bot, troll or anything of the like, you are dumb enough to think Khlorophil is MysticKnight. I can agree both are dumb towel heads, but kloro isn't that fucked in the head.

You better let moderators do their job instead of running away from objections to your propositions, coward.

You are not even a mod to come lecture me about my rights.
I didn't even mention suspension of the member or banning him from commenting on posts. That's the job of the mods indeed; not me or ironically; you.

I simply referred to my personal observation about it being a bot; or a mere think tank.
Get lost, terrorist defender. And it's my OP; I can tell you exactly about what I like to be posted in it or not. It's up to you to listen to my opinion or go ahead with your shameful posts, terrorist defender.

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Though thank you for exposing that Klorophil/MysticKnight only thrive with his terrorism because of you and bots like Fake Messiah.

[The Grand Nudger]

One bad plate of shrimp away, huh?

I do agree, at least, that there isn't any debate between us. I note that big mo was, according to magic book, a caravan thief.

This is clearly a problem for you, but I don't see why it would be.

[WinterHold]

One bad plate of shrimp away, huh?  

I do agree, at least, that there isn't any debate between us.  I note that big mo was, according to magic book, a caravan thief.  

This is clearly a problem for you, but I don't see why it would be.

Cutting the enemy's supply lines in battle is very essential to win battles. So I think the whole problem is the double standards of you: when any other general does it then it's a tactic, but when prophet Mohammed does it he is a "thieve".

[The Grand Nudger]

It seems to me that you feel like big mo had good reason™ to be a caravan thief...not that he wasn't a caravan thief.

[R00tKiT]

Discussing with a terrorist is beyond me:

Klorophil is a terrorism enthusiast, he is the same person as Mysticknight, and moreover he creates sock accounts to bombard this place with posts like this:

What the fuck is your problem with me, kid? 

So.. Muhammad al-Bukhari, the Persian islamic scholar who reported the hadith, is a terrorist too ? And the billion sunni Muslims who accept the hadiths... terrorists ?

I have a simple challenge you. You will either answer, so I can start believing that you actually read something , anything about Islam, or call me a terrorist once again, in which case I might question your mental sanity.

The challenge goes like this : a random guy comes to you and wants to join Islam. What is he supposed to do, precisely, and according to which sources-besides the hadiths, of course?

As I already explained here, the death penalty for apostasy does exist, theoretically, for every person leaving religion, but in practice, it's much, much, more complicated than randomly murdering people, here are the details:

1) To actually label someone, explicitly, an apostate, can only come from an Islamic court of law, not from a friend, a family member, a random guy in the internet, nobody.

2) The most common definition of apostasy is to reject the faith with the intent of causing political turmoil.

3) Spying on someone just to know if he left his religion is explicitly condemned in Islam. Only people who willingly and publicly announce their rejection of faith can face the apostasy charge.

4) Applying the penalty is always delayed for months, or even years in order to understand the apostate's motivations for declaring his rejection of faith. In our era, and with the advent of the Internet and the never ending stream of false information, stereotypes about Islam, scholars advocate for an indefinite delay period, that is, to never apply the death penalty. Because people now simply don't know what Islam is, to start with, in order for them to actually reject it.

You yourself are a perfect example of that, you clearly don't know how to pray -three times a day? wrong number, pal, that's not what two billion Muslims do- nor give Zakat, nor go on a pilgrimage, because you excused yourself from taking the hadiths.... and for what possible reason.. I might ask?

Islamic scholars take the hadiths because they have a reliable chain of narrators going all the way back to Muhammad, which is the exact same way we have a reliable Qur'an nowadays, everything we know about Islam is basically an audio stream coming through reliable channels.

Every Mushaf' today comes through one of the seven popular Qira'at, let's pick one, for clarity's sake;



The writing on top of the central design reads ; Warsh' an Naafi' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsh_%27an_Naafi%27). In case you don't know, both Warsh' and Naafi' are actual people who mastered reciting the Qur'an and conveyed it to their students. And these are only two names from the whole lengthy chain of known scholars who recited the whole Qur'an all the way back to Muhammad's era.

Hadiths work the exact same way. If you're not okay with the hadiths, then you're not okay with the Qur'an. Case closed. End of story.

[The Grand Nudger]

Or, at least, they have what islam decides is a good enough chain of narrators.

Sally heard it from bill who got it from steve who spoke to jon that heard from jenny who knew thomas edison... that he hated peas! Great point about hadith and magic book though...both were constructed using that same reliable™ process.

[R00tKiT]

-If you've spent years looking for a good explanation for islam and still haven't found one, you never will.  I'd suggest you pick up some other book.  In the meantime, deal with your boy.  You aren't arguing with any of us.  As Boru pointed out, the alleged founders of a great many religions also just so happened to be hilariously shitty people.  Even here, Big Mo fails to raise above the bar for a common loon.

Do you have an actual book suggestion discussing Muhammad's revelations in detail? Everything I read about the subject either avoids talking about them or gives a clumsy reason why Muhammad decided, supposedly, to turn into a conman.

[The Grand Nudger]

Try any basic intro to the historic development of religious movements.

The christians already tried the liar lunatic or christ angle - maybe you could read about how and why that fails as an apologetic strategy, too. I doubt either would change a single jot or tittle of what you believe, but at least you'd have a better understanding of why your arguments for those beliefs lack credibility or force.