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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:26 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 10:17 pm)Shell B Wrote: Statler, no one asked for your opinion on their "sinful" nature, so do not play innocent. I am not judging you personally. I am simply bearing witness to your behavior. Preaching is forbidden here, with very good reason. Refrain from telling people how sinful they are and how corrupted they are. This is not a discussion.
Actually I was asked about man’s nature, because man’s choices are determined by his nature and I was asked about man’s choices. If I am not allowed to answer such questions then why are people allowed to ask them?
Quote: 1. God doesn't really give you choices.
Incorrect, but I can’t tell you why because the answer involves matters that apparently are preaching.
Quote: 2. However, if you choose to sin it is your choice.
Also incorrect, but for the same reason as above I cannot tell you why.
Quote: He did not ask you your opinion on his character. You asserted that yourself.
Actually he did, he asked a Reformed Christian about free will. Reformed Christians believe that man’s will and choices are determined by his corrupt character and nature. If he didn’t want an answer dealing with these things he should not have asked that question. I should not have used the term “you” when I answered his question, and I apologize for that. However, my intent was not to preach at him, it was to answer his question. If I had gotten on this site to preach I would have done it a year ago.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:28 pm
(This post was last modified: October 25, 2011 at 10:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Keep your apology. You don't mean it, and I don't want it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:28 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 10:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Keep your apology. You don't mean it, and I don't want it.
Now who is judging who? :-)
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Again, he did not ask your opinion on him. I applaud you for seeing the error in your wording. If you truly did not mean to call him a corrupt sinner that is getting what he deserves, then you should have no problem refraining from doing so in the future. Problem solved.
Now, you agreed with Rhythm a few pages back that god sets the stage for everything, therefore, essentially stripping us of choices. You also asserted that man's corruptible nature makes him choose sin, but that he has the option not to sin. I believe that sums it up.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Either your faith is sincere and you believe those things about me, or it isn't and you don't. No sense apologizing either way. What judgement have I made, that your faith is sincere?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:32 pm
(This post was last modified: October 25, 2011 at 10:33 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(October 25, 2011 at 10:29 pm)Shell B Wrote: Now, you agreed with Rhythm a few pages back that god sets the stage for everything, therefore, essentially stripping us of choices. You also asserted that man's corruptible nature makes him choose sin, but that he has the option not to sin. I believe that sums it up.
Where did I say people have the option not to sin? Adam had that option but modern humans do not. We sin because we want to, we want to because our nature is corrupted.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:36 pm
And who cursed that ground Statler?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:36 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 10:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Either your faith is sincere and you believe those things about me, or it isn't and you don't. No sense apologizing either way. What judgement have I made, that your faith is sincere?
I do believe those things about everyone prior to regeneration. I apologized for singling you out when all of us are naturally that way. If you have learned one thing about me this whole time, it is that I only apologize if I really think I need to, so to question my sincerity is unfounded.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 10:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where did I say people have the option not to sin? Adam had that option but modern humans do not. We sin because we want to, we want to because our nature is corrupted.
So then you are saying that even the most devout adherents to Christianity do not have any choice but to sin?
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 10:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: And who cursed that ground Statler?
You're going to have to be more specific.
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