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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 12:58 pm
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Which part. It would help me to know, I actually do a fair amount of this IRL, and it's not easy to remove the effects of propaganda after the fact.
Right now, and I don't mind telling you this, I'm attempting to use rights abrogation because it's an angle that also appeals to people for whom the stigmatization angle of white supremacist propaganda works.
Non-racist people, specifically.
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:00 pm
(June 13, 2020 at 11:00 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Referring to the imaginary “black on black crime” is a racist trope used to distract from objective racial disparities. The statistics; those things you say this thread was based off of; demonstrate that. If it walks and talks like a duck, OLB. 🤷♀️ Imaginary?
What planet are you on?
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/...ack-crime/
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From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans.
Does that seem imaginary?
Being willfully ignorant and spouting the right party line spew doesn't make you a better person.
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:03 pm
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Whites are also the primary killer of whites. That's how killing plays out - by proximity. Maybe we should start aggressively policing white neighborhoods, kneeling on white necks.
Somebody has to stop them!
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:09 pm
(June 13, 2020 at 1:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Whites are also the primary killer of whites. That's how killing plays out - by proximity. Maybe we should start aggressively policing white neighborhoods, kneeling on white necks.
Somebody has to stop them!
No arguement.
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:10 pm
You have no argument against more police brutality, and this is probably the primary disagreement between you and others who would argue with you. There's no need, in that case, to peddle racist tropes. They don't help your cause.
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:14 pm
(June 13, 2020 at 12:58 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Which part. It would help me to know, I actually do a fair amount of this IRL, and it's not easy to remove the effects of propaganda after the fact.
Right now, and I don't mind telling you this, I'm attempting to use rights abrogation because it's an angle that also appeals to people for whom the stigmatization angle of white supremacist propaganda works.
Non-racist people, specifically.
I think we're looking at this from two entirely different viewpoints. I'm not sure if we agree or disagree or some third option.
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:16 pm
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I'm looking at this from the perspective of a person who was raised from birth to be an overt white supremacist and is, thus, familiar with contemporary white supremacist propaganda and how it works, why it works, and who it works on. It was not created to convince racists, they don't need any convincing. It was created for you. It was created for people who disagree with racism, but might agree with some other thing that can be used to privilege racism, as a third option.
What part of my logic do you disagree with?
Do you believe, for example, that because perfection is impossible, some percentage of rights abrogation is acceptible? What percentage of rights abrogation is a small enough percentage?
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:21 pm
(June 13, 2020 at 1:00 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (June 13, 2020 at 11:00 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Referring to the imaginary “black on black crime” is a racist trope used to distract from objective racial disparities. The statistics; those things you say this thread was based off of; demonstrate that. If it walks and talks like a duck, OLB. 🤷♀️ Imaginary?
What planet are you on?
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/...ack-crime/
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From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans.
Does that seem imaginary?
Being willfully ignorant and spouting the right party line spew doesn't make you a better person.
“Imaginary” in the sense that it’s not statistically more than any other group of people who are killed by other people from that same group, you dolt. How many times does that have to be explained to you? Who’s being willfully ignorant now? I notice this is the only piece from my entire rebuttal that you chose to address. That says a lot about your “agenda”. Throwing “black” in front of a crime statistic doesn’t accomplish what you think it does. You failed. STFU with your racist tropes. Peddle them elsewhere.
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:22 pm
(June 13, 2020 at 1:10 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You have no argument against more police brutality, and this is probably the primary disagreement between you and others who would argue with you. There's no need, in that case, to peddle racist tropes. They don't help your cause.
Your the one who is terrified of sharkbite.
Do the math.
Police officers have literally BILLIONS of interactions with civilians every year. In a not small percentage of those - they have to deal with some incredibly fucked up, violent or potentialy violent people. Shit is going to happen.
So you go looking for the fucked up cops - and yes z there are fucked up cops - as long as they make cops out of humans - there is going to be fucked up cops.
GIGO
And no surprise - you FIND fucked up cops - doing fucked up things - and then you pronoince to the world that all cops are fucked up. The reality is - and the numbers are out there - that unjustified shootings and detention deaths are a microscopic part of the picture - not the norm.
You're no better than a Klansman... You just have a different target group.
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RE: Statistically Speaking
June 13, 2020 at 1:25 pm
He doesn't believe that he's doing that. I give OLB alot of shit....but I'm entirely certain that he's a good dude who would never knowingly make himself the vehicle for white supremacist propaganda.
The trouble, and this isn't specific to him..it's endemic....is that he thinks that white supremacists are dumb and could never ever manipulate him into doing that.
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