Statistically Speaking

[LadyForCamus]

Prove what wrong? Your the one slinging a false distraction. I’m not great at math, but if “black on black crime” is no more or less than white on white crime, or Hispanic on Hispanic crime, then why are you even talking about it? If all races kill each other at about the same rate, but unarmed black men are a third more likely to be killed by police than any other race, what does that tell you, OLB? 

Now, putting objective facts aside, let’s talk about this ridiculous false dichotomy you’ve presented where a black man has to either be afraid of other black men, or the police. Black communities are made up of people, believe it or not. “The black community” isn’t some singular hive mind. Take your racist bullshit and peddle it elsewhere.

Ahhh. ... Here of course is the "you're a racist card".

I wouldn’t call it a card as much as an observation. 

Yes... Black.communities are made out of people... Thank you for that insightful pronouncement...

You’re welcome. Seems like you needed the reminder.

What the fuck do you think police are made out of?

You seem angry. Did I bump your racist funny bone?

More black people are killed by black people (civilian people) than by cops. Period. End of fact.

 
Same thing as white people. People are generally killed by civilians more often than they’re killed by police. Period. End of fact. Wow. What a fucking revelation, lol. Was there a point here?

Yes - white people are also killed by white people (civilian people also) than by cops.

I never said otherwise.

So your point is...

My point is people are not looking at the statistics - they base their FEARS on something else....

And again, you seem to be intentionally turning a blind eye to the statistical FACT that cops kill unarmed black men at a higher rate than any other group of people. Would you like to acknowledge that fact head on yet? Do I need to use crayons to explain it to you?

But YOU dear heart - had to go out of your way to make it a white vs black issue

Um...because it is one. Should I get the crayons again?

And then you DARE to call me racist.

Referring to the imaginary “black on black crime” is a racist trope used to distract from objective racial disparities. The statistics; those things you say this thread was based off of; demonstrate that. If it walks and talks like a duck, OLB. 🤷‍♀️

You understand that a human being can have more than one justified fear at a time, right? Like...if I were to live in a crime-infested community, I could be afraid of the general danger of living in a high-crime area while at the same having a specific fear about being sexually assaulted, because I’m a female and I’m more likely to be sexually assaulted than a male. Just like POC who live in high-crime areas can be afraid of violence in their community while also fearing violence from law enforcement, because it affects them disproportionately. We don’t have to choose one or the other. Got it now? More crayons?

[no one]

It's not the "cops" who are prejudiced. It the prejudiced humans who become cops that are.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's not the "cops" who are prejudiced. It the prejudiced humans who become cops that are.

There is, of course, a subset of "police" that contains "became police to throw their weight around." The problem is lazy thinking makes the subset equal to the whole.

[no one]

Yes, you are correct, but the "police" as an entity, are not entirely made up of prejudiced asshats. It's the cancerous percentage that is the issue.

[The Grand Nudger]

The unprejudiced non asshats effect the same outcomes as the prejudiced asshats. You don't have to be a racist to be a cop, it just helps...because our justice system was built on the foundations of white supremacy.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Yes, you are correct, but the "police" as an entity, are not entirely made up of prejudiced asshats. It's the cancerous percentage that is the issue.

And that percentage, expressed as a number, is...

[The Grand Nudger]

Any number greater than zero is an institutional failure.

In a well designed system, a hood wearing klansman, try as he might, would fail to effect those outcomes. A well designed system of policing could be entirely filled with racists frustrated by their inability to do racism on the job.

[no one]

Thank you Nudger of the grandest scale. That is the point I was attempting to get across.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Any number greater than zero is an institutional failure.

In a well designed system, a hood wearing klansman, try as he might, would fail to effect those outcomes.  A well designed system of policing could be entirely filled with racists frustrated by their inability to do racism on the job.

You want the police to be perfect. Got it.

[The Grand Nudger]

We can dive in even further. The attempt to frame the conversation as one of tiny percentages relies on claiming that the problem is, then, small..which is is demonstrably not. It's a variant of scientific racism that leverages the stigmatization pillar of the white supremacist victim complex. It appeals to racists, and can seem appealing to non racists, because that's what it's designed to do.

Boiled down for parts. It's the claim that racists are right because numbers.

I doubt that our policing system being less racist would mean that it was perfect, and I don't think it's too much to ask from the justice system for equality under law.