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Image of Guadalupe
August 31, 2020 at 7:22 pm
So in 1531 some guy brings a traditional painting of Mary claiming it came from heaven, that virgin Mary painted it herself, and people believe him?! At least if he brought image that would be very hard to make, like a photo quality imprint of Mary, then maybe I could understand how people fall for it, but painting made with materials and methods of the sixteenth century, replete with standard artistic motifs clearly derived from earlier Spanish paintings, and with clear brush strokes marks on it is just scary gullible.
And she did this to convince a skeptical bishop - seems that scepticism doesn't reach a very high bar in Catholicism.
Is this the most ridiculous hoax in Christianity (aside from Gospels) or what?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
August 31, 2020 at 8:43 pm
(August 31, 2020 at 7:22 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So in 1531 some guy brings a traditional painting of Mary claiming it came from heaven, that virgin Mary painted it herself, and people believe him?! At least if he brought image that would be very hard to make, like a photo quality imprint of Mary, then maybe I could understand how people fall for it, but painting made with materials and methods of the sixteenth century, replete with standard artistic motifs clearly derived from earlier Spanish paintings, and with clear brush strokes marks on it is just scary gullible.
And she did this to convince a skeptical bishop - seems that scepticism doesn't reach a very high bar in Catholicism.
Is this the most ridiculous hoax in Christianity (aside from Gospels) or what?
There was an episode of Bullshit in which an image Jesus supposedly appeared on an office building window. (I think. It's been a long time since I saw the episode).
Many locals fell for it, calling it a miracle and all those other good things.
When the local sceptics walked around the side of the building, they found the images there, too. It seems the pattern of the sprinklers had left the "images".
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
August 31, 2020 at 10:03 pm
Holy water spots Batman, it's getting thick in here.
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
August 31, 2020 at 11:15 pm
(August 31, 2020 at 8:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (August 31, 2020 at 7:22 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So in 1531 some guy brings a traditional painting of Mary claiming it came from heaven, that virgin Mary painted it herself, and people believe him?! At least if he brought image that would be very hard to make, like a photo quality imprint of Mary, then maybe I could understand how people fall for it, but painting made with materials and methods of the sixteenth century, replete with standard artistic motifs clearly derived from earlier Spanish paintings, and with clear brush strokes marks on it is just scary gullible.
And she did this to convince a skeptical bishop - seems that scepticism doesn't reach a very high bar in Catholicism.
Is this the most ridiculous hoax in Christianity (aside from Gospels) or what?
There was an episode of Bullshit in which an image Jesus supposedly appeared on an office building window. (I think. It's been a long time since I saw the episode).
Many locals fell for it, calling it a miracle and all those other good things.
When the local sceptics walked around the side of the building, they found the images there, too. It seems the pattern of the sprinklers had left the "images".
Similar to the Crystal Cathedral's "miraculous" image of Mary back in the '80s.
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
September 1, 2020 at 8:38 am
When I was in 5th grade the Sisters of St. Joseph were passing out pamphlets promoting this hoax. 
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
September 1, 2020 at 10:53 am
(August 31, 2020 at 8:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (August 31, 2020 at 7:22 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So in 1531 some guy brings a traditional painting of Mary claiming it came from heaven, that virgin Mary painted it herself, and people believe him?! At least if he brought image that would be very hard to make, like a photo quality imprint of Mary, then maybe I could understand how people fall for it, but painting made with materials and methods of the sixteenth century, replete with standard artistic motifs clearly derived from earlier Spanish paintings, and with clear brush strokes marks on it is just scary gullible.
And she did this to convince a skeptical bishop - seems that scepticism doesn't reach a very high bar in Catholicism.
Is this the most ridiculous hoax in Christianity (aside from Gospels) or what?
There was an episode of Bullshit in which an image Jesus supposedly appeared on an office building window. (I think. It's been a long time since I saw the episode).
Many locals fell for it, calling it a miracle and all those other good things.
When the local sceptics walked around the side of the building, they found the images there, too. It seems the pattern of the sprinklers had left the "images".
My toaster keeps giving me toast with the image of Mickey Mouse's head burned into the side. The fact that it's a Mickey Mouse toaster might have something to do with it. 
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
September 1, 2020 at 6:55 pm
What does toasted Mickey Mouse taste like.
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
September 1, 2020 at 7:07 pm
(September 1, 2020 at 6:55 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: What does toasted Mickey Mouse taste like.
Asking for a friend.
Goofy.
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
September 1, 2020 at 9:57 pm
Clearly you have never heard of the Relic of the Holy Prepuce.
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RE: Image of Guadalupe
September 2, 2020 at 3:32 am
(September 1, 2020 at 9:57 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Clearly you have never heard of the Relic of the Holy Prepuce.
If Jesus was truly holy superman they wouldn't have been able to circumcise him.
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