'Seeking' God

[salty]

First of all, I don't understand much of what you said, Salty... It made little sense...

But, I would like to add that if I thought God and Satan existed, then I would gladly worship Satan over God. God is an prick.
Satan pretty much just called God out on his arseholey ways.

I know that you're saying this because you really don't believe he's real. What happened between you and God? I remember you mentioning that Christianity is responsible for all kinds of terrible things...but did something happen to you personally that you attribute to straight to God?

I guess I just find it difficult to hate something I don't believe is real. I don't believe Apollo is real but I don't hate him or hearing of him. He's just made up so I merely shrug at his name. Now...I would hate him if someone I loved refused to get medical treatment because they thought that Apollo would heal them...then I'd have a reason to be disgusted...what's your reason for disgust with God (since you don't believe in him)?

[edk]

I know that you're saying this because you really don't believe he's real. What happened between you and God? I remember you mentioning that Christianity is responsible for all kinds of terrible things...but did something happen to you personally that you attribute to straight to God?

I guess I just find it difficult to hate something I don't believe is real. I don't believe Apollo is real but I don't hate him or hearing of him. He's just made up so I merely shrug at his name. Now...I would hate him if someone I loved refused to get medical treatment because they thought that Apollo would heal them...then I'd have a reason to be disgusted...what's your reason for disgust with God (since you don't believe in him)?

Well, I'm not frankiej, but I expect he meant God would be a prick if the Bible were true (since he does a lot of dickish things in it).

[frankiej]

I have been an atheist since I was born, sista!

I have never believed in anything supernatural... So, nothing happened between God and I.

Are you aware of all the bad shit God does in the bible? Not stuff carried out in his name, but things he actually does? If you were aware, then you would realise the guy is a cunthole


And yeah, what eddy boy said

[Erinome]

Salty was born an atheist, just as we all were.

She's a programmed jesus machine.

God has never done anything to anybody, salty. African apes, on the other hand.... they've done a lot of fucked up shit to people in the name of their imaginary friend. That's what I have a problem with, as someone who owns responsibility for my own fucked up shit.

[Captain Scarlet]

I know that you're saying this because you really don't believe he's real. What happened between you and God? I remember you mentioning that Christianity is responsible for all kinds of terrible things...but did something happen to you personally that you attribute to straight to God?

I guess I just find it difficult to hate something I don't believe is real. I don't believe Apollo is real but I don't hate him or hearing of him. He's just made up so I merely shrug at his name. Now...I would hate him if someone I loved refused to get medical treatment because they thought that Apollo would heal them...then I'd have a reason to be disgusted...what's your reason for disgust with God (since you don't believe in him)?

Hey Salty (nice pic btw it looks a happy scene :-)) I think you misunderstand the atheist perspective. Atheists really do not hate god, that would be absurd (as you recognize). They may dislike the concept or description of the god proposed either in scripture or metaphysically or both. When communicating this in shorthand sometimes the atheist might refer to god (wrongly) in the second person, this is not to be mistaken for actually secretly believing that god exists and hating them, being angry etc. It's bit like saying you hate the idea of something, when strictly speaking it is not possible to hate ideas.

[salty]

Anyone can have this understanding, all they have to do is be willing to believe and it will become clear to them too.

You see, this is where I don't get it... I have to be willing to believe? From what is shown in the bible, I wouldn't want such a horrible being to exist... In the same way I wouldn't have wanted someone like Hitler to exist.
And if I did believe in him, I certainly wouldn't worship the fascist.

I could say the same thing about Son Goku... You don't understand just now, but if you are willing to believe in him, then the truth will be revealed to you... Fucking bullshit, missy.

From what is shown in the Bible, what do you mean? The old testament? Do you think that justice can be dealt without the guilty being punished? Are you capable of going to the people that were punished in the Bible and determining if they were innocent? Are you capable of stopping any action that doesn't include yourself, that depends on the judgment of another? It's very unlikely that you personally can stop people from being impacted by the decisions of others or the consequences that people lay on themselves through their actions. Moreover, it's impossible for you to go into the past and right any war or genocide that happened, so since you have no control over those things, is your only response to hate God?

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It is very hard to convey the ununderstanding that overcomes people when they believe that God is real and the Bible is true.

I fixed it for you.

Anyone can have this understanding, all they have to do is be willing to believe and it will become clear to them too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEkXHHhmTVM

I totally get it.

You totally get it, but you're just not interested, right?

Is there any way that you would be interested? Do you think anything short of a miraculous event could sway you?

[frankiej]

OK, you clearly aren't getting this... I don't hate God! Are you fucking stupid?!

I hate God as much as I hate Sauron!!

Although, at least Sauron is quite cool

[salty]

I know that you're saying this because you really don't believe he's real. What happened between you and God? I remember you mentioning that Christianity is responsible for all kinds of terrible things...but did something happen to you personally that you attribute to straight to God?

I guess I just find it difficult to hate something I don't believe is real. I don't believe Apollo is real but I don't hate him or hearing of him. He's just made up so I merely shrug at his name. Now...I would hate him if someone I loved refused to get medical treatment because they thought that Apollo would heal them...then I'd have a reason to be disgusted...what's your reason for disgust with God (since you don't believe in him)?

Well, I'm not frankiej, but I expect he meant God would be a prick if the Bible were true (since he does a lot of dickish things in it).

I see...what are your thoughts?

[5thHorseman]

'Do you think anything short of a miraculous event could sway you?'

Remarkable claims require remarkable proof.

[salty]

The magical thing about facts is that they are true if you actually want them to be or not. You may not understand certain things, but that doesn't mean it isn't a fact. The idea that a truth can only be revealed to you because you actively want to have an imaginary friend is insane.

The truth that I speak of, is the fact that God wants to move in your life, to change you and help you flourish. The proof is that he's already done it for millions of people, including myself, but the stipulation to meeting God, is that you need to believe in him first.

"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6 NIV

If you seek him, he will reward you by making himself apparent and he will change you. Fact. People who haven't met God are simply changed by religious rules and that kind of change doesn't last. Fact!

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If you really want the truth are you willing to go against the tide, even for a moment, in case the truth is literally buried in what you consider "enemy territory"?

How exactly has that been going for you btw? Last I recall there was the sound of trumpets as reality faded into the background under the crushing weight of a myth you chose to believe in regardless.

Not too well...I have too many things going on at one time to really get it moving. My dad and I are talking about the doctrines that establish the 7th-Day Adventist Church, I'm reading some books on creative writing, I'm pregnant, so I'm feeling sick all the time and I can't get online too often. But I still have those books on evolution I bought written by people who believe it is true and it's false. I hope I'll get around to them someday...sigh..in the meantime, I read the Bible.

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I have been an atheist since I was born, sista!

I have never believed in anything supernatural... So, nothing happened between God and I.

Are you aware of all the bad shit God does in the bible? Not stuff carried out in his name, but things he actually does? If you were aware, then you would realise the guy is a cunthole


And yeah, what eddy boy said

Give me a specific example, quote a verse.

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African apes, on the other hand.... they've done a lot of fucked up shit to people in the name of their imaginary friend. That's what I have a problem with, as someone who owns responsibility for my own fucked up shit.

Clear this up for me please Aleialoura. African apes have done things in the name of their imaginary friend? Are you relating evolution to Christians? This reminds me of a racial slur, so I need some clarification, please help me. thanks.