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**BrianSoddingBoru4** · October 14, 2021 at 3:19 pm

(October 14, 2021 at 2:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We had to include a clause for our own first presidents....seeing as how they were recently british.

Right. As opposed to the Irish who had never, ever been British subjects. And yet the Irish constitution has no ‘natural born’ requirements to serve in any government post, including President or Taoiseach.

Boru

**The Grand Nudger** · October 14, 2021 at 3:51 pm

Our founding fathers had a far more restrictive view of who was appropriate (for anything, really). They could have just come right out and said that politics was only for them and their cousins. Might not sound as good that way, but it's certainly what they thought.

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · October 14, 2021 at 4:01 pm

(October 14, 2021 at 3:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Our founding fathers had a far more restrictive view of who was appropriate (for anything, really). They could have just come right out and said that politics was only for them and their cousins. Might not sound as good that way, but it's certainly what they thought.

Change it to ‘male cousins’ and they were nearly there.

Boru

**The Grand Nudger** · October 14, 2021 at 4:32 pm

It's assumed, right?

Fake Messiah · October 15, 2021 at 9:41 am

Lol, Shat is probably the first person with a wig in space

[Image: Shat.png]

zebo-the-fat · October 15, 2021 at 11:27 am

(October 15, 2021 at 9:41 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Lol, Shat is probably the first person with a wig in space

"Wigs in spaaace!"

Spongebob · October 15, 2021 at 12:29 pm

(October 14, 2021 at 3:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 14, 2021 at 2:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We had to include a clause for our own first presidents....seeing as how they were recently british.

Right. As opposed to the Irish who had never, ever been British subjects. And yet the Irish constitution has no ‘natural born’ requirements to serve in any government post, including President or Taoiseach.

Boru

From the Act of Union on 1 January 1801, until 6 December 1922, the island of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

But it doesn't seem relevant. The Constitution states that only natural born citizens may be POTUS, so that's the rule. No one alive had a hand in writing the rule. It seems at odds with just about every other office, which have no such requirements. And as a nation of immigrants, it seem particularly disturbing. But barring a new amendment, it is the law.

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · (This post was last modified: October 15, 2021 at 1:30 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)

(October 15, 2021 at 12:29 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(October 14, 2021 at 3:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Right. As opposed to the Irish who had never, ever been British subjects. And yet the Irish constitution has no ‘natural born’ requirements to serve in any government post, including President or Taoiseach.

Boru

From the Act of Union on 1 January 1801, until 6 December 1922, the island of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

But it doesn't seem relevant. The Constitution states that only natural born citizens may be POTUS, so that's the rule. No one alive had a hand in writing the rule. It seems at odds with just about every other office, which have no such requirements. And as a nation of immigrants, it seem particularly disturbing. But barring a new amendment, it is the law.

I was being sarcastic. TGN made the point that if the US didn’t restrict the presidency to natural borns, the FF we’re concerned that they might end up with a head of state who was more sympathetic to Britain than to the US, since all Americans at that time were recently British subjects.

I was pointing out that Ireland was in precisely the same situation in 1922, but didn’t feel the need to restrict political offices to natural born citizens.

And Ireland had been subject to British rule long before 1801.

Boru

Spongebob · October 15, 2021 at 1:31 pm

(October 15, 2021 at 1:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I was being sarcastic. TGN made the point that if the US didn’t restrict the presidency to natural borns, the FF we’re concerned that they might end up with a head of state who was more sympathetic to Britain than to the US, since all Americans at that time were recently British subjects.

I was pointing out that Ireland was in precisely the same situation in 1922, but didn’t feel the need to restrict political offices to natural born citizens.

And Ireland had been subject to British rule long before 1801.

Boru

Sorry, I didn't get that. Should have read a few more posts. FWIW there are people here who are open to the idea of changing the Constitution but that would be an uphill battle.

onlinebiker · October 15, 2021 at 1:37 pm

I like that the President needs to be born here.

If we are going to have an idiot in charge - they might as well be OUR idiot.

We don't need to outsource EVERYTHING.

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