The only real "meaning", as far as humans will ever know, is to enjoy being alive. Any higher meaning is God's business, not ours.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
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 (October 28, 2021 at 5:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: The only real "meaning", as far as humans will ever know, is to enjoy being alive. Any higher meaning is God's business, not ours. What do you know, I actually agree with that, except for the god part. At least that's one definition of meaning. Different people have different definitions so I try not to project my definition of meaning onto others.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
October 28, 2021 at 5:21 pm
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2021 at 5:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 28, 2021 at 5:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: The only real "meaning", as far as humans will ever know, is to enjoy being alive. Any higher meaning is God's business, not ours. Which is just another way of saying that there is no meaning that we can discern in or of life in and of itself. Congratz, you're an existential nihilist. Your life, itself, is meaningless, according to you. If* you're wrong, and life......even your life, has meaning..well, that's not your business. That's some fairies business. Ladies and gentleman, the mind of the afflicted.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Okay? Well the whole concept of "meaning" within the human experience is irrelevant, since we'll never know the truth any which way. Humans do not exist forever, don't waste your time trying to find some higher meaning in life.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
 (October 28, 2021 at 5:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: The only real "meaning", as far as humans will ever know, is to enjoy being alive. Any higher meaning is God's business, not ours. You really had to add that second sentence. Because I don't believe in gods, I'm unable to accept that god (any god) has any kind of business. Unless you are unable to demonstrate your god exists, your beliefs are no more than personal superstitions. NO? Jesus himself is recorded as saying; John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. ." (KJV) Jesus is asking for blind faith. To believe without seeing is superstition. If you happen to be a protestant you also have Martin Luther father of the reformation, who said: "“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” These unfounded claims about god(s) ad infinitum tend to go a bit flat after one has seen/heard/read them a couple of hundred times. I've been an atheist for about thirty years. That was only after an often painful journey of twenty years. For most people I've run across, their religious beliefs are an accident of birth. They were simply absorbed, painlessly, without effort, before the age of reason. Such beliefs are seldom if ever seriously questioned by most people I've run across. A lifetime observation is that the average atheist has more intellectual honesty and integrity in his/her little finger than most believers have in their entire body. Quote: A lifetime observation is that the average atheist has more intellectual honesty and integrity in his/her little finger than most believers have in their entire body.Yes, that is the fantasy.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
October 28, 2021 at 5:32 pm
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2021 at 5:37 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 28, 2021 at 5:26 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Okay? Well the whole concept of "meaning" within the human experience is irrelevant, since we'll never know the truth any which way. Humans do not exist forever, don't waste your time trying to find some higher meaning in life. You keep arguing that even when I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm just noticing that you yourself have deemed your own life to be irrellavent to meaning. I believe you, Ahri. I believe....that you believe, that your life is worthless. From here, you appear to have every reason to believe as much. Tell me I'm wrong? Here we sit, myself a licentious heathen, yourself a self professed god bothering idiot - but between the two of us, it's the god bothering idiot who declares that life has no meaniong, not even his own, because...hell..I don't know, because we die? Yeah, good job goober, really teasing out the mysteries of the universe with that one. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 Quote:Yes, that is the fantasy.Nah the indisputable reality
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"Imagination, life is your creation"
Quote:Damn dude. You think too much.And you don't think at all 
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM |
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