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#121
RE: Indoctrination
February 1, 2022 at 12:27 pm
(February 1, 2022 at 12:11 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 5:11 am)Ahriman Wrote: No one is any better or worse than anyone else.

If that is truly what you believe, Ahriman, kindly refrain from saying anything at all about morality.
Why?
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RE: Indoctrination
February 1, 2022 at 12:49 pm
(February 1, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 12:11 pm)Astreja Wrote: If that is truly what you believe, Ahriman, kindly refrain from saying anything at all about morality.
Why?

Before we get sidetracked, I’d like an answer to my question:

Do you truly believe that a person who rapes children is no better and no worse than a person who does not rape children?

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RE: Indoctrination
February 1, 2022 at 1:01 pm
(February 1, 2022 at 12:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Why?

Before we get sidetracked, I’d like an answer to my question:

Do you truly believe that a person who rapes children is no better and no worse than a person who does not rape children?

Boru
Better or worse, in what way? Fundamentally, they are no better or worse.
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#124
RE: Indoctrination
February 1, 2022 at 1:14 pm
(February 1, 2022 at 1:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 12:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Before we get sidetracked, I’d like an answer to my question:

Do you truly believe that a person who rapes children is no better and no worse than a person who does not rape children?

Boru
Better or worse, in what way? Fundamentally, they are no better or worse.

That’s all I needed to know. 

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RE: Indoctrination
February 1, 2022 at 2:01 pm
(February 1, 2022 at 1:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 1:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Better or worse, in what way? Fundamentally, they are no better or worse.

That’s all I needed to know. 

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#126
RE: Indoctrination
February 1, 2022 at 6:19 pm (This post was last modified: February 1, 2022 at 6:21 pm by Simon Moon.)
(February 1, 2022 at 1:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 12:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Before we get sidetracked, I’d like an answer to my question:

Do you truly believe that a person who rapes children is no better and no worse than a person who does not rape children?

Boru
Better or worse, in what way? Fundamentally, they are no better or worse.

Of course they are worse, they are harming the well being of other conscious beings.

So, then a person who rapes you, is no worse than a person that doesn't rape you? How about a person who would save you from being raped? Better or worse than a person who would rape you?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Indoctrination
February 1, 2022 at 11:13 pm
(February 1, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 12:11 pm)Astreja Wrote: If that is truly what you believe, Ahriman, kindly refrain from saying anything at all about morality.
Why?

Because you refuse to make moral judgments about human behaviour.
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#128
RE: Indoctrination
February 2, 2022 at 10:49 am
(February 1, 2022 at 11:13 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 12:27 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Why?

Because you refuse to make moral judgments about human behaviour.
Well, why should I? It's not my place to judge anybody like that. As soon as you start judging others, you are now open to being judged yourself, and there's always something to judge about anyone. Of course, even if you aren't judging others, others can still judge you, but in that case, they wouldn't have the right, since you're not doing the same to them.
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#129
RE: Indoctrination
February 2, 2022 at 12:01 pm
(February 2, 2022 at 10:49 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(February 1, 2022 at 11:13 pm)Astreja Wrote: Because you refuse to make moral judgments about human behaviour.
Well, why should I? It's not my place to judge anybody like that. As soon as you start judging others, you are now open to being judged yourself, and there's always something to judge about anyone. Of course, even if you aren't judging others, others can still judge you, but in that case, they wouldn't have the right, since you're not doing the same to them.

Stop judging people for unilaterally judging you.
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RE: Indoctrination
February 3, 2022 at 12:38 am (This post was last modified: February 3, 2022 at 12:39 am by Astreja.)
(February 2, 2022 at 10:49 am)Ahriman Wrote: As soon as you start judging others, you are now open to being judged yourself...

This may come as a bit of a shock to you, Ahriman, but I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with being accurately judged for my actions. That's the kind of information that makes me better.

(I am, however, utterly fucking ruthless with anyone who lies about me - which I think is an eminently fair trade-off.)
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