Why did god create evil?

[Old Seer]

Then you are saying that animals are spiritual also?

We don't recognize "Animals" in the same context in what is normally meant. While one has love and hate as mental directions toward others/things, one also has human and animal traits also as directions in ones being. Each of these directions are the basis of one's relationship with others. All have both human and animal mentalities. It is by the human traits that we accept and get along with each other. Opposite that (Animal) is why we cannot get along peacefully. They both are the components of "personality". In our everyday use of common language we use the term "dog" to mean what everyone else uses it as. But, to us,"dog" expresses a type of body. Our observations show that they have the very same spiritual makeup as we. The use of Human and animal traits determines what manner of social structure we are under. A garden slug needs little or no social structure because it doesn't need it. What is referred to as "dog" is dependent upon a greater social structure and there-fore have a higher need for human and animal traits, the very same as we. That's why there is no such thing as a human body. If the "dog" has the very same personality traits and directions as we then the dog would also have a human body

In other words, Yes. OK, now, how about a Bumblebee Bat or Etruscan Shrew?

(Ants, wasps and bees have a social structure.)

You can only determine that by observation. One observation is motherhood. Does the mother care for it's young. Motherhood in most cases relies on human entity. Ants--what is observe. Disturb the nest and what happens. The Ants scurry to save the eggs. Concern for their own kind shows humanity present. Attacking the other nest shows the animal side. In their case probably not much on the over all but it's there. Mammals are the best at exhibiting a human side. The very existence of a "social' structure exhibits human presence. It seems bees have less then ants. We, as compared to dogs or horses are very much the same. The garden slug--very close to zero. There are 144 different aspects to ones being. Different species use different amounts and items. We use them all but not all to the same degree. From now on you can observe and know.

[The Grand Nudger]

The only way you can narrow things like "social structure" down and make our own appear even remotely unique is by rigging the game. You would require a favorable definition of "social structure" and enough special pleading to choke a horse. Different (than some, in whole) perhaps, but unique or "human", not even remotely. We're a little late to the whole "social structure" game in fact. But by all means, continue with the 143 other "aspects to our being".

[Old Seer]

The only way you can narrow things like "social structure" down and make our own appear even remotely unique is by rigging the game. You would require a favorable definition of "social structure" and enough special pleading to choke a horse. Different (than some, in whole) perhaps, but unique or "human", not even remotely. We're a little late to the whole "social structure" game in fact. But by all means, continue with the 143 other "aspects to our being".

Your animalistic dsplay shows us to be right. Try the other option.

[The Grand Nudger]

Am I speaking to the Borg ffs? The "other option" is a nebulous and poorly defined concept, try explaining it.

[Old Seer]

Am I speaking to the Borg ffs? The "other option" is a nebulous and poorly defined concept, try explaining it.

I am not familiar with your terminology. The 144 is 72 human traits and 72 animal traits. Other ancient manuscripts have more or less. the number refers to (in essence) 72 plus and 72 minus. It is the total of personality, the 144 may include neutrals. We haven't finished the ciphers. From one area of the ancient peoples to another it may be different. Each had their own.

The concepts of love and hate are clearly defined in any society.

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The only way you can narrow things like "social structure" down and make our own appear even remotely unique is by rigging the game. You would require a favorable definition of "social structure" and enough special pleading to choke a horse. Different (than some, in whole) perhaps, but unique or "human", not even remotely. We're a little late to the whole "social structure" game in fact. But by all means, continue with the 143 other "aspects to our being".

Social structure is a common phenomenon, you belong to one also.
There are certain number of spiritual traits that exist. So far in American society we have listed 48. Ancient cultures had more. We don't know why the book has 144. Different cultures have different insights. In out study group I am not the one working on it. I use the 144 because it is the most we have found that relates to human quantity. You have a different interpretation of human then we do. Can you deny you have no human an animal traits.

[The Grand Nudger]

I say there are 145. Seventy three human, plus eleventy-three animal traits makes one hundred forty-five.

[tackattack]

I have no idea got from the OP to 144, so rather than sift through 26 pages of one liners I'll just answer the OP.

Why did god create the 'talking snake'? Did he not know what would happen?

How did the 'talking snake' get into the garden? Was god not watching?

This god must have known the 'talking snake' was more powerful than Eve and that Eve had no chance. So this must have been a setup from the get go.

1-Why did god create the 'talking snake'? I interpret that metaphorically. I reference Ezekiel 28:12-15 for Satan in the Garden. It says Satan's purpose was a guardian angel
2-Did God not know? If God is referencing the Christian Omnimax God, then yes he knew.
3-How did the 'talking snake' get into the garden? I assumed (referencing the verse above) that he walked there
4-Was god not watching? see 2
5- Eve had no chance. So this must have been a setup from the get go.
I believe Eve did have a chance, and I call that chance a choice (free will). She was not force fed the apple, so she had a choice, shich is a chance.

[Old Seer]

I say there are 145. Seventy three human, plus eleventy-three animal traits makes one hundred forty-five.

OK, now we're getting somewhere. You'll find (if you look farther) things relating to ones own evils.

Now we can get back to- Why did God create evil?

That would be like saying, why did God create God.
Bear in mind I am not a Christian, nor belong to any religion.

God is a combination of both Good and Evil. Good and evil are a set of personal traits everyone has.

God is not some bodiless being out in space--that doesn't exist.

You are capable of good and evil are you not.

[The Grand Nudger]

Agreed, god isn't "a bodiless being out in space", in fact, he doesn't seem to be anywhere at all.. hehehe. Common ground with borderline nut-jobs ftw!

Btw, Tack, Eve never had a chance, god knew exactly what was going to happen did he not? Chance or choice assumes that there are at least two options, two outcomes. If god already knew the outcome, it was set. There was only one way it was going to turn out. Precognitive ability (whether possessed a by god, a human being, or some rock somewhere) annihilates choice, chance, free will, etc. If you want to keep one or the other of these things (gods precognitive abilities, or our free will) you'll have to make a choice as to which is more important to you. Were I a christian, I'd keep free will, alot of the story rides on free will, not so much on god's ability to foretell the future.

[Old Seer]

Agreed, god isn't "a bodiless being out in space", in fact, he doesn't seem to be anywhere at all.. hehehe. Common ground with borderline nut-jobs ftw!

Btw, Tack, Eve never had a chance, god knew exactly what was going to happen did he not? Chance or choice assumes that there are at least two options. If god already knew the outcome, it was set. Precognitive ability annihilates choice, chance, free will, etc. If you want to keep one or the other of these things (gods precognitive abilities, or our free will) you'll have to make a choice as to which is more important to you. Were I a christian, I'd keep free will, alot of the story rides on free will, not so much on god's ability to foretell the future.

God doesn't know anything we/man collectively know or don't know. You can throw out the term "God" because it covers a lot of territory, and replace it with an "us". There are plenty of references in ancient works that refer to God as an us. The ultimate authority on planet earth is eventually the people. That's what the Arab spring was/is all about. The "us" got sick and tired of the "them". The "them" are only temporary in the total span of time. It is the We/Us that will eventually rule. To make that happen the "us" need to know what we/our guys need to know. We're trying to give it to you. You need to understand the "us" before that can happen.
Foretell the future--that can be done prospectively. Prophecies can be done by knowing how and on what grounds people think. A particular thought process in conjunction with those animal things afore mentioned can have a predictable result, self destruct. It's simple. Psychiatrists do the same thing today--calculate the end result of a particular way of thinking.