Turkey's role in middle eastern politics

[Shell B]

Your years of research...And you still know nothing.

Wow, you are incapable of actually replying by refuting my post. All you know is propaganda that "patriotic" mommy and daddy shoved up your ass.

I never said that mass graves were non-existent. I already acknowledge armenian casaulties. However, these casaulties were not a product of a systematic extermination campaign.

Yes, they were.

Since you say that your post was "benign", I'll believe you. Yet you probably won't believe my word when I tell you that it was you who brought the conversation out of the line with that first post of yours, speaking of "teh horrors" of the terrible Turk.

You posted a half-assed history. I pointed out what you left out. It was not inflammatory. I said nothing of "terrible" Turks. I'm not one of those idiots who blames an entire race for the actions of zealots.

Oh, what was it? Gas chambers?

No, starvation, poison, shooting, drowning, beatings, etc.

Admitting? Really. In a justice system that was ruled by the allied powers?

Are you retarded? It was your justice system that I am talking about, not the international hearings that were held.

And it's really funny how the allied powers actually released men that were supposedly responsible for such crimes against humanity in the first place.

Funny, we released the ones we took, but your country had the ones they found guilty sentenced to death. You really should have gone with that history degree.

However I've heard from other sources that only claim simply one million.
The numbers are ever changing.

No, they are not. There have always been some who claim 600,000 and some who claim more. They are not changing. They have always been varied. Anyway, there is no difference between 10 and 1 million to me.

But where? The camps in Germany stand as they did during WWII.
In Turkey, yes. Correct. Names? Occupants? Commanding officers? Number of deaths? Records?

Where?

Commanding officer: Şükrü Kaya Where: There was more than one, look it up yourself. Occupants: Armenians. Number of deaths: However many your people killed and covered up. The records are in the testimony of your people, the Armenians and people of other countries, including my own, who saw them. Again, look it up yourself. You know it is there. I won't spoonfeed it to you.

I was talking about WWI. Allied powers spread propaganda that was allegedly committed by the Germans aswell. They took it back later on.

Well, lucky for me the "Allied powers," by which you mean England, were not the only ones to witness your country's folly.

I'm simply saying that they do not have my sympathy. They have brought this upon themselves.

Are you sure you are capable of sympathy? We are talking about victims that included children. How can you be so inhumane and ridiculous?

As I said, they had it coming.

Yes, those big scary women and children were just asking for it. You sound like a rapist.

I did not, however, I have relatives that did. My maternal grandmother's grandfather was a soldier who had seen both WWI and the Turkish war for independence. He had witnessed some of the armenian atrocities that were committed against the mussulmans. The Turks and other mussulmans celebrated when they saw the armenians were shipped to Syria, whereas they lived practically side by side until the troubles.
And it's really astonishing how you claim my sources to be biased, when there is not even a single account made by any armenian or allied sources that relate to the deaths caused by armenian gangs that were provided with weapons from the Russians.

You really need to read more.

Oh? And where is the document that proves this?
If they were really so keen on punishing us for some so-called genocide, they wouldn't have thrown away the treaty of Sevres.

What the fuck are you talking about? Your court found men guilty of killing Armenians and sentenced them to death. They were keen on punishing those they conveniently laid all the blame on.

After this issue is cleared out for good, we're going to sue the countries that have accepted this so-called genocide for the amount that nullifies out own national debts.
Then it's time to liberate Karabagh for good.

Oh my fucking word. You are hi-lar-i-ous.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Wow, you are incapable of actually replying by refuting my post. All you know is propaganda that "patriotic" mommy and daddy shoved up your ass.

As I said a page back, my mother or father told me nothing about armenians or whatsoever. They just told me that I should be a productive member of my society, honor my family, and respect our founding fathers.
My grandmother talked only when I asked her if she knew anything about this issue when it was aired on TV on public discussion.
You only know to speak, speak, speak. Like it's bad to actually raise your kids as patriots and nationalists.

The armenians surely raise their kids to be full armenian nationalists to the extreme, and I see many of them out there, many in stormfront, going there, claiming aryan heritage, but getting their butts kicked when not even the stormfags accept these as "white", something that they all desperately try to be(but fail horribly at).

Yes, they were.

No they weren't.

You posted a half-assed history. I pointed out what you left out. It was not inflammatory. I said nothing of "terrible" Turks. I'm not one of those idiots who blames an entire race for the actions of zealots.

You already did so;

It is 100% without a doubt certain that the Turks went around killing people.

Your people slaughtered their people and "exiled" them to death camps.

And you're going to tell me that you didn't mean it that way. As you say it.
However, it does not really matter if it was the actions of "zealots", the whole Turkish people will at the end get the blame, and will also be the ones to pay for it.

No, starvation, poison, shooting, drowning, beatings, etc.

And that's how you kill 1.5 million people. Very systematic, poison, I mean. Come people, get your poison shots today! Are you the ones for the death ferry? Oh, you're still around, oh wow.
This crap is unbelievable. Like beatings and shootings, okay, that sounds reasonable. Drowning and poisoning? I don't think that we'd actually go through so much bother to kill a person. This is rubbish.

Are you retarded? It was your justice system that I am talking about, not the international hearings that were held.

"Your" justice system? And I tell you that it was "your" justice system that let them out. It was "our" justice system who declared our founding father Atatürk and the Turkish army that was fighting the Greek invasion in Anatolia to be traitors aswell. And who are we to contest the Courts in the in Istanbul which was under Allied occupation, btw? Atatürk is a traitor for fighting the Greek army(whom the Sheik-ul Islam in Istanbul declared to be the Army of the Caliph). And you want me to believe that our courts declared these men guilty because they were guilty?

Funny, we released the ones we took, but your country had the ones they found guilty sentenced to death. You really should have gone with that history degree.

And I'm telling you that the same country that you're talking about, the Ottoman empire, has found Atatürk and the leaders of the revolution and anyone who sided with them to be traitors, and merited the death sentence upon them. The Sultan was in active collaboration with the Allied forces to keep his throne, and has agreed to every single thing that the Allied demanded of him.

No, they are not. There have always been some who claim 600,000 and some who claim more. They are not changing. They have always been varied. Anyway, there is no difference between 10 and 1 million to me.

When it comes to Turks, everything is possible.

Commanding officer: Şükrü Kaya Where: There was more than one, look it up yourself. Occupants: Armenians. Number of deaths: However many your people killed and covered up. The records are in the testimony of your people, the Armenians and people of other countries, including my own, who saw them. Again, look it up yourself. You know it is there. I won't spoonfeed it to you.

Şükrü Kaya?
I know who he is, however I can't even find a single google result relating to him. Even though, people also accused our founding father Atatürk to have taken part in the so-called genocide aswell. Like producing elaborate false photographs of him sitting amongst dead armenians whereas he was only sitting in his front yard with puppies.

Well, lucky for me the "Allied powers," by which you mean England, were not the only ones to witness your country's folly.

Oh sure, italians and americans and etc...All of which were part of the allied forces.

Are you sure you are capable of sympathy? We are talking about victims that included children. How can you be so inhumane and ridiculous?

If they cared so much about their children, they wouldn't have staged an open revolt against the empire and it's mussulman citizens. They knew that we were going to retaliate in one way or the other.

Yes, those big scary women and children were just asking for it. You sound like a rapist.

And how exactly were our women at fault? The dry wood burned along with the wet.
It's quite common during rebellions, you know.
However, the main point was to exile them to a place where they could not cause any trouble anymore, even if they didn't participate in anything. This was done in order to remove the threat of another armed rebellion. It was a strategic descision.

You really need to read more.

Still won't change my mind. Our historians and people who have committed themselves on this issue read pro-genocide documents every time. They still maintain the position that it is false.

Oh my fucking word. You are hi-lar-i-ous.

You'll see.

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And as a side note, there is a faction of "Turks" in Turkey who are campaigning for the recognition of the so-called genocide. No historians or whatsoever are found amongst them. On the other side, we have the famous historian İlber Ortaylı, another Crimean Tatar historian, who also called the so-called genocide nothing but bullshit.

[Shell B]

Like it's bad to actually raise your kids as patriots and nationalists.

It is to the extent that you have been spoonfed it. People are people, no matter their race. You are not part of an elite. You just happen to have been born in a certain place.

You posted a half-assed history. I pointed out what you left out. It was not inflammatory. I said nothing of "terrible" Turks. I'm not one of those idiots who blames an entire race for the actions of zealots.

You already did so;

Where, exactly? Did I say that you killed a bunch of people? Have I ever said that all members of a certain race are bad because of the actions of a few. Do not project your shortcomings onto me. Your country has its flaws, like all countries, but I do not blame all Turks for the mistakes of the past.

It is 100% without a doubt certain that the Turks went around killing people.

Your people slaughtered their people and "exiled" them to death camps.

And you're going to tell me that you didn't mean it that way. As you say it.

Why would I say that? I have never used that phrase in reference to myself in a conversation with you that I can recall. I meant it exactly as I said it. Turks went around killing people -- your people committed acts of genocide. Did I say every Turk did it?

However, it does not really matter if it was the actions of "zealots", the whole Turkish people will at the end get the blame, and will also be the ones to pay for it.

Bullshit. You really have no idea about what goes on outside of your bubble, do you? I have never heard someone blame every Turk for what happened, especially given that none of the perpetrators are alive that I know of.

And that's how you kill 1.5 million people. Very systematic, poison, I mean. Come people, get your poison shots today! Are you the ones for the death ferry? Oh, you're still around, oh wow.

Don't be a child. I listed more than one method of killing. You are being willfully obtuse. I would like to think that will go away with age, but I don't think I can chalk up all of your methods of communicating to age. I think it's a defense mechanism.

This crap is unbelievable. Like beatings and shootings, okay, that sounds reasonable. Drowning and poisoning? I don't think that we'd actually go through so much bother to kill a person. This is rubbish.

Don't be stupid. Drowning and poisoning is not that much trouble. The Nazis used to line up groups of people, tie them all together on a bridge and shoot one so the whole lot would fall into the water and be unable to swim out. It's simple, really. Poisoning is even simpler. The killers controlled the food they ate. You could take out thousands with arsenic when the only food they have is what you give them.

Just so you know, your statement reeks of ignorance. Do you realize how precious ammunition is during any war in any country? Why kill unarmed civilians with bullets when you can use something cheaper?

"Your" justice system? And I tell you that it was "your" justice system that let them out.

No, it wasn't. The U.S. had nothing to do with the trials, save a few witnesses, that I am aware of.

It was "our" justice system who declared our founding father Atatürk and the Turkish army that was fighting the Greek invasion in Anatolia to be traitors aswell. And who are we to contest the Courts in the in Istanbul which was under Allied occupation, btw? Atatürk is a traitor for fighting the Greek army(whom the Sheik-ul Islam in Istanbul declared to be the Army of the Caliph). And you want me to believe that our courts declared these men guilty because they were guilty?

I don't care what you believe. It is clear that you will only believe what suits you. What I do care about is not reading your bullshit and saying nothing to refute it when I know better. Sure, you will never change your mind out of a ridiculous sense of self that is derived solely from your country. That doesn't mean someone else reading this thread might not decide to actually read something on the topic after reading your ludicrous claims.

And I'm telling you that the same country that you're talking about, the Ottoman empire, has found Atatürk and the leaders of the revolution and anyone who sided with them to be traitors, and merited the death sentence upon them. The Sultan was in active collaboration with the Allied forces to keep his throne, and has agreed to every single thing that the Allied demanded of him.

So you had a coward for a Sultan? That was your country's only fault in the matter? Give me a break.

When it comes to Turks, everything is possible.

Even genocide? I believe your statement to mean that your countrymen are capable of anything great. Correct me if I am wrong. I must say, judging by how I see that statement, it reeks of hubris. Why is Turkey not a world power?

Şükrü Kaya?
I know who he is, however I can't even find a single google result relating to him. Even though, people also accused our founding father Atatürk to have taken part in the so-called genocide aswell. Like producing elaborate false photographs of him sitting amongst dead armenians whereas he was only sitting in his front yard with puppies.

From the Turkish coalition, eh? It doesn't matter. The pictures of dead Armenians are real. Who was with them is irrelevant.

If they cared so much about their children, they wouldn't have staged an open revolt against the empire and it's mussulman citizens. They knew that we were going to retaliate in one way or the other.

Yeah, that one way or the other should have been military in nature if your country cared at all about being decent, at that point. This is why killing civilians is forbidden under international law, barring specific circumstances. What happened to the Armenians falls under crimes against humanity because it did not involve military or militia.

And how exactly were our women at fault? The dry wood burned along with the wet.

I didn't say your women were at fault. I said theirs were not.

However, the main point was to exile them to a place where they could not cause any trouble anymore, even if they didn't participate in anything. This was done in order to remove the threat of another armed rebellion. It was a strategic descision.

Yes, genocide always is.

Still won't change my mind. Our historians and people who have committed themselves on this issue read pro-genocide documents every time. They still maintain the position that it is false.

That is your problem. You will take nothing that was not written by a Turk into account. You're being stubborn to the point of stunting personal growth.

Oh my fucking word. You are hi-lar-i-ous.

You'll see.

You are right. I will see that your countrymen, no matter what bullshit you read, cannot sue other countries for documenting what happened in your country. Even if it could, Turkey would lose and lose more respect. You really think Turkey will sue the U.S. and win. Now it is my turn for patriotism. I find the idea of Turkey suing the U.S. and winning positively laughable. How many Ivy League law schools do you have in your country?

[The Grand Nudger]

Has it ever occurred to you that people who revolt against their governments may have reasons for doing so, or are they just evil "non-turks" who like to cause trouble? Perhaps they were thinking of their children. Imagining their children's lives under an administrator or dictator with ideology that matches your own. I'd take up arms against that pretty quick, even if I knew we couldn't possibly win. I wouldn't want to be remembered as the generation that didn't even try. You don't seriously believe that there was nothing going on and then all of a sudden genocide was an option? LOL, no, no, the road to genocide is a longer one than all that. It takes generations of hatred along whatever lines the perpetrators decide to draw, in addition to a culture of complacency or even open consent with regards to mistreatment of minorities and dissidents. That, amigo, is why entire nations feel the weight of judgement when it comes to genocide. It isn't just the guy who pulls the trigger that made it possible. It was the guy that mined the ore, the guy that transported the ore, the smelters, the gunsmiths, the armories, and the farmer who fed them all. Then, the "soldier" (and I use the term loosely when it comes to genocidal pricks) gets to be the triggerman in the genocidal machine. You know who else gets to play a part? Propagandists who will say just about anything to make it okay. "They had it coming", "It never really happened", "Those people were troublemakers", etc etc etc. We're very familiar with this over here in the states, it's not like we haven't done the same. Try not to get butthurt when someone suggests that your revisionism is bullshit and that Turkey, like every great power (or in your case former great power) has blood on it's hands. I probably would have never even gone down this road if you could have controlled yourself, and avoided the "woe is us" routine. Vae Victis.

[reverendjeremiah]

I like Turkey....its wonderful with gravy

[Shell B]

I actually like the country's architecture and history. I know a few people from Turkey around here, but they are much more . . . reasonable. Like I said, every country is full of people -- all individuals. You can never judge a group by an individual.

[The Grand Nudger]

Im glad I visited the fucking place before Mehmet became a fixture around here. I'd have a pretty shitty view of Turkey if he were all I had to go by. But, as I've mentioned before, the women were wonderful, lol. Sounds to me like Mehmet here is part of some weird ass fringe ideology. Bet they have rallies and everything.

[kılıç_mehmet]

It is to the extent that you have been spoonfed it. People are people, no matter their race. You are not part of an elite. You just happen to have been born in a certain place.

That's your answer to everything. I'm just a poor child who has been spoon-fed the vile ideology of nationalism. Just because I do not accept the blatant lies of our enemies, does not mean that I have to be raised by my parents to do so.
I do not claim to be part of an elite. The majority of the Turks do not believe in the falsified genocide.

Where, exactly? Did I say that you killed a bunch of people? Have I ever said that all members of a certain race are bad because of the actions of a few. Do not project your shortcomings onto me. Your country has its flaws, like all countries, but I do not blame all Turks for the mistakes of the past.

As I said, you're going to tell me that you didn't mean to say that. But that's how it usually goes. Even if you geniunely meant that, the bill and the stain is upon us all. Just like the bill and the stain is upon the Germans even today. They have alredy been classified as the "Tätervolk"
once. They are told that they must feel guilty for the doings of the Germans during the third reich. I do not accept guilt for something that not me, neither my ancestors have done.
Besides, it's not really up to you to determine who to blame. As you're not an armenian, the armenians do not really care about your opinion here...

Why would I say that? I have never used that phrase in reference to myself in a conversation with you that I can recall. I meant it exactly as I said it. Turks went around killing people -- your people committed acts of genocide. Did I say every Turk did it?

Does it really matter? The Turkish army is being shown as the perpetrator. And the army is put together from Turks, not from anyone else.
So what difference does it make? Do I make a cut through the Turks and say, "these are the guilty ones, I don't even know them!". No. I do not desert my people at the first sign of someone blaming us for something(which they do every year, for something new. I'm hoping for a martian genocide next year).

Bullshit. You really have no idea about what goes on outside of your bubble, do you? I have never heard someone blame every Turk for what happened, especially given that none of the perpetrators are alive that I know of.

Sure, sure. Just keep telling yourself that. Again, you probably never met an armenian either.

Don't be a child. I listed more than one method of killing. You are being willfully obtuse. I would like to think that will go away with age, but I don't think I can chalk up all of your methods of communicating to age. I think it's a defense mechanism.

And I don't think that these methods actually represent reality at all.
I mean, poisoning people? How many people do you hope to "exterminate" with that?
Like if you said, they lined them up and shot them, it would sound believable. But from what I've googled, it states that doctors have given them poison shots and willfully infected them with bacteria. It reeks so much of bullshit that it stinks to high heaven.
No one goes through such elaborate ways to exterminate anyone.

Don't be stupid. Drowning and poisoning is not that much trouble. The Nazis used to line up groups of people, tie them all together on a bridge and shoot one so the whole lot would fall into the water and be unable to swim out. It's simple, really. Poisoning is even simpler. The killers controlled the food they ate. You could take out thousands with arsenic when the only food they have is what you give them.

Simpler. And how many do you think that were taken out in this way?
I'm sure that it won't amount anything near 10.000 even if it were true.

No, it wasn't. The U.S. had nothing to do with the trials, save a few witnesses, that I am aware of.

By you, I mean the allied forces. However, it was the US that have outlined the borders of a "Wilsonian Armenia", drawn by the US president Woodrow Wilson, whom the armenians still quote, and try to get an already unratified treaty accepted in the international political scene.

I don't care what you believe. It is clear that you will only believe what suits you. What I do care about is not reading your bullshit and saying nothing to refute it when I know better. Sure, you will never change your mind out of a ridiculous sense of self that is derived solely from your country. That doesn't mean someone else reading this thread might not decide to actually read something on the topic after reading your ludicrous claims.

No, it's clear that you believe whatever you want to. I said that the same courts have declared the Turkish liberation army as traitors, testifying to how the courts were working in favour of the allied occupation in Istanbul . But soon after we had captured a number of British officers, they were eager to hand them back to us, showing that the arrests and trials were mostly political in nature.

So you had a coward for a Sultan? That was your country's only fault in the matter? Give me a break.

Well, a fault that was corrected by our country's founding father.
He deposed of him, and he fled back to his British masters. Good riddence. After the war was won, the monarchy was done away with for good, and the power was given to the Turkish people.

Even genocide? I believe your statement to mean that your countrymen are capable of anything great. Correct me if I am wrong. I must say, judging by how I see that statement, it reeks of hubris. Why is Turkey not a world power?

What I meant by that was when it comes to Turks, even if only a single person suffered a minor nosebleed, people would talk of it for ages and ages and tell others that how badly the Turks beat the man to death and etc. and etc. That's how it is possible.
For why Turkey is not a world power...Well, it simply ain't. Do we seek to be a world power at all? Not with these borders, no.
And we already see the "world powers" in the world, doing their misdeeds all around the world...We do not want the world. We just want ourselves, for ourselves.

From the Turkish coalition, eh? It doesn't matter. The pictures of dead Armenians are real. Who was with them is irrelevant.

İrrelevant? I don't think so. The armenians are seeking to make this more and more dramatical, and they generally extend the period of "genocide" to the point when Kazım Karabekir destroyed their little "Wilsonian Armenia", and reinstated Turkish borders and made pacts with the newly formed Soviet state.

Yeah, that one way or the other should have been military in nature if your country cared at all about being decent, at that point. This is why killing civilians is forbidden under international law, barring specific circumstances. What happened to the Armenians falls under crimes against humanity because it did not involve military or militia.

Yeah. It didn't involve "militia"? You don't say...As I already said, Armenian irregulars were used not only by the Russians, they were also used by the French, and they did not only attack Turkish positions, but also the civies. So when we load them up and ship their asses to Syria where they can't bother us no more, we're committing a crime against humanity, oh great. I already said that numerous accounts on the part of Turks describe armenian armed gangs roaming the countryside. They were organized,however, they were trying to carve out a piece of land in which they were a minority. That's what spelled doom for their little revolution.
And yeah, the blue book still stands as the one true pillar to which all the proponets of the genocide cling to. A book of slander and propaganda.

I didn't say your women were at fault. I said theirs were not.

It was clear. The armenians in eastern provinces were to be relocated to prevent further armed attacks against Turkish forces and civillians. When the armenians collaborated with the Russians, they already followed their own path to doom.

Yes, genocide always is.

So-called genocide.

That is your problem. You will take nothing that was not written by a Turk into account. You're being stubborn to the point of stunting personal growth.

But I am. There are numerous non-turkish historians contesting the validity of this. However, their voices fall short, and their articles are not being published as much as those who do accept the so-called genocide.
If the west prides itself on the notion of free speech, why do they censor them at every turn, and turn, and blame us for performing censorship on the ones who do accept the so-called genocide in Turkey?
And once again, we are open to talks, yet, the armenians refuse to discuss the matter. They maintain their position that they have nothing to talk, and still go around with their hurr-durr hayk babble about mount Ararat or something and burn a couple more Turkish flags to feel better about themselves.

You are right. I will see that your countrymen, no matter what bullshit you read, cannot sue other countries for documenting what happened in your country. Even if it could, Turkey would lose and lose more respect. You really think Turkey will sue the U.S. and win. Now it is my turn for patriotism. I find the idea of Turkey suing the U.S. and winning positively laughable. How many Ivy League law schools do you have in your country?

Why sue the US? The US has not given into the bullshit of the armenians, and with the Senate, and the Turkish and Jewish lobby having our backs, I'm certain that it never will.
And I'm stating that after this whole bullshit has been blown as false, we will sue all the partaking countries, like France(I'm looking at you Sarkozy) and Switzerland.

Has it ever occurred to you that people who revolt against their governments may have reasons for doing so, or are they just evil "non-turks" who like to cause trouble? Perhaps they were thinking of their children. Imagining their children's lives under an administrator or dictator with ideology that matches your own.

No mr. Lebowski, it has not occured to me.
The armenians revolted with the same intent as the Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, and Arabs did. The reason: to carve themselves their own state from the sick man of Europe, aka the Ottoman empire. However, unlike the nations that I've counted above, they lacked the crucial requirements of being a majority in wherever they revolted. They simply were fools to believe that the Russians would come to carve them a nation just like they did it for the south slavs. They did have a reason, no one is denying it.
Thing is, their reason conflicts with our own interests, and the majority of the people that lived in those lands.
If they did really think of their children, they probably would not have revolted, and they should know it better: armenians were crucial allies in subduing revolts during the growth period of the Ottoman empire, and along with kurds, have indeed contributed to the thinning of the Shia-Alevi Turkish population of southeastern Anatolia. That's one of the reasons why they were called "the loyal people". Not even for a single time throughout Ottoman History have they revolted against the empire,
until WWI.

[The Grand Nudger]

WTF is wrong with you?

Your enemies being whom? "Non-turks" rgr. What the majority of anyone believes has exactly nothing to do with reality. At an atheist website you should be pretty familiar with this. The trouble with your next rambling is that both the germans and your own ancestors did commit genocide. While we're on the subject, a certain group of someones did inject poison, bacteria, and all manner of other nasty shit into their victims as part and parcel of genocide. In fact it's incredibly common to experiment upon, and just generally be a giant douche to captives set for extermination. That's kind of one of the hallmarks of genocide you fucking moron. How many people were taken out like this? A few million, not counting the ones that the Turkish government took out like this, of course, just the ones the Nazis did in. As far as what happened when "you captured a few of their officers".... that's called prisoner exchange dumbass. It has nothing to do with whether or not the legal proceedings you'd rather just dismiss had any merit. Nowadays we call that terrorism btw. I'm glad that a monarchy was ended, and I'm glad that power was given to the turkish people. I'm also glad that they have chosen to go an entirely different route than whatever pipe dream floats around in your head with the power they were given. Sue France and Switzerland for what, having the gall to pursue justice on behalf of the survivors of an atrocity that your government has worked very hard at suppressing, and that you (worthless little bigot that you are) are hard at work denying to save some face for your mythical little super-nation? Good luck with that. What do you need the money for anyway? Didn't you just borrow 22bil USD? Spent it all on hookers and blow did we?

See, here's the catch Mehmet. I don't think that the everyday joe walking around the streets of Turkey should feel personally ashamed for something his grandfather did. I don't. I do however think that you should be ashamed for your dogged attempts to justify or outright erase this sad little page from history. Before this conversation I was thinking meh, Mehmet is probably a decent enough guy, Imma cut him some slack, different cultures and all. I was wrong, bigots are bigots regardless of where they were born. If I wanted to listen to this sort of shit I'd attend a Klan rally. I think the only reason you haven't been warned or outright banned for blatant racism is because the mods are unfamiliar with your particular racist slang for people you don't like. If I dropped ethnic slurs as often as you did my ass would be railroaded, but you're lucky in that racism doesn't always translate well when it comes to the spoken word.

[kılıç_mehmet]

WTF is wrong with you?

Your enemies being whom? "Non-turks" rgr. What the majority of anyone believes has exactly nothing to do with reality. At an atheist website you should be pretty familiar with this. The trouble with your next rambling is that both the germans and your own ancestors did commit genocide. While we're on the subject, a certain group of someones did inject poison, bacteria, and all manner of other nasty shit into their victims as part and parcel of genocide. In fact it's incredibly common to experiment upon, and just generally be a giant douche to captives set for extermination. That's kind of one of the hallmarks of genocide you fucking moron. How many people were taken out like this? A few million, not counting the ones that the Turkish government took out like this, of course, just the ones the Nazis did in. As far as what happened when "you captured a few of their officers".... that's called prisoner exchange dumbass. It has nothing to do with whether or not the legal proceedings you'd rather just dismiss had any merit. Nowadays we call that terrorism btw. I'm glad that a monarchy was ended, and I'm glad that power was given to the turkish people. I'm also glad that they have chosen to go an entirely different route than whatever pipe dream floats around in your head with the power they were given. Oh, sue them for what, having the gall to pursue justice on behalf of the survivors of an atrocity that your government has worked very hard at suppressing ( and that you, worthless little bigot that you are) are hard at work denying to save some face for your mythical little super-nation? Good luck with that. What do you need the money for anyway? Didn't you just borrow 22bil USD? Spent it on hookers and blow did we?

Our enemies?
Virtually everyone of our neighbors, with the possible exception of Georgia which has problems on it's own(but Georgians hate everybody, so), and Nakhchievan, which belongs to our Brothers in Azerbaijan.
Certainly, we did not have the soldiers, doctors and etc. to spare to do human experiments on armenians, all while combatting enemies on different fronts, however, I see that it's pointless to actually give my opinion on this subject, since you are more concerned with portraying yourselves as the "ultimate protectors of humanity", beating me down as a racist genocide denier, while boosting your own liberal ego, possibly.
Nice. Obviously you are not on your right mind, for I simply fail to comprehend how you rage over a matter more than an armenian could rage. Do you have a unibrow or something, like you feel some sort of a connection with them?
I guess it's all a part of the liberal thing that is going on there, not that it doesn't go around here either. They constantly make fools of themselves, and gain nothing but the contempt of the Turkish public by openly selling their people to the armenians in return for being praised as "brave Turks who accept the genocide of their ancestors" and even get a nobel prize for it.