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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 1, 2022 at 2:51 pm
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(July 1, 2022 at 2:17 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (July 1, 2022 at 3:38 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In Breezy's failed analogy, the dialysis 'machine' is another person. It fails because the correspondence with a pregnant woman and a foetus is simply nonsensical.
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That's interesting; I like the analogy but it isn't mine. It's one of the most popular and famous pro-choice arguments, developed by Judith Thomson.
I’m aware. I meant ‘the analogy used by Breezy in this thread.’
As much as I admire Dr. Thomson, let’s consider why this particular thought experiment doesn’t work.
1. In Thomson’s argument, both the violinist and the unwilling patient are conscious, aware, sensate, adult human beings. This is not the case with the foetus and the mother.
2. In a significant number of abortions, the procedure is done to save the life of the mother. In Thomson’s experiment, the unwilling patient is not said to be in any danger.
3. Thomson nowhere states that unwilling patient, if not disconnected from the violinist, will be required to clothe, feed, house, care for, and educate the violinist for the next 18 years.
The thought experiment is successful primarily in establishing the primacy of bodily autonomy and has consequently cause the anti-abortion crowd to redirect their objections, but I think it’s a little much to say that it has ‘won them over’. It hasn’t ever struck me as a particularly strong argument for abortion rights, per se. Her stances on personal privacy seem more effective.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 2, 2022 at 1:39 am
A 10-year-old girl is raped. The State forces her to remain pregnant and tells her to consider it an “opportunity.”
This isn’t Iran. This isn’t Gilead. This isn’t hypothetical.
This happened today in Ohio.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20...788415001/
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 2, 2022 at 3:41 am
(July 2, 2022 at 1:39 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: A 10-year-old girl is raped. The State forces her to remain pregnant and tells her to consider it an “opportunity.”
This isn’t Iran. This isn’t Gilead. This isn’t hypothetical.
This happened today in Ohio.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20...788415001/
Well, if she’s white, at least it will help to address The Great Caucasian Baby Shortage…
Seriously, the good news is that, apparently, she was able to obtain an abortion in another state.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 2, 2022 at 5:21 pm
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 9, 2022 at 5:55 pm
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Message to the Conservatives
1. The choice to have sex is not the choice to be pregnant and having sex should not force someone to remain pregnant.
2. The Choice to get an abortion is taking responsibility for having sex.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 9, 2022 at 6:00 pm
(July 2, 2022 at 3:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 2, 2022 at 1:39 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: A 10-year-old girl is raped. The State forces her to remain pregnant and tells her to consider it an “opportunity.”
This isn’t Iran. This isn’t Gilead. This isn’t hypothetical.
This happened today in Ohio.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20...788415001/
Well, if she’s white, at least it will help to address The Great Caucasian Baby Shortage…
Seriously, the good news is that, apparently, she was able to obtain an abortion in another state.
Boru
This is one of the important pieces of news.
Biden has/is? signing an executive order to protect women.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 9, 2022 at 7:09 pm
(July 2, 2022 at 3:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 2, 2022 at 1:39 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: A 10-year-old girl is raped. The State forces her to remain pregnant and tells her to consider it an “opportunity.”
This isn’t Iran. This isn’t Gilead. This isn’t hypothetical.
This happened today in Ohio.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20...788415001/
Well, if she’s white, at least it will help to address The Great Caucasian Baby Shortage…
Seriously, the good news is that, apparently, she was able to obtain an abortion in another state.
Boru
And this particular clip shows off how mainstream this "concern" is:
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 9, 2022 at 8:36 pm
"Miss-spoke". The new "just kidding". 
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 9, 2022 at 11:32 pm
As they say, she's not conservative, she's crazy.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
July 10, 2022 at 12:16 am
(July 9, 2022 at 11:32 pm)Jehanne Wrote: As they say, she's not conservative, she's crazy.
These days, to be a conservative, you probably have to be crazy anyway.
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