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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 2, 2022 at 11:53 pm
The Catholic Church spent literally millions to make abortion illegal in Kansas, but they failed as people in Kansas voted against the law.
Quote:But when the draft opinion leaked showing that the U.S. Supreme Court would overturn Roe, abortion rights became a national debate again – and Kansas voters would be the first in the country to vote on abortion rights once the battle shifted to the states.
Money and messaging flowed in with the goal of influencing Kansas voters, who remain closely divided on the issue. Two organizations formed to campaign on either side raised — and spent — more than $11 million between them since the start of the year – most of it on political ads.
Catholic churches, conferences and affiliated organizations funded nearly two-thirds of the $5.4 million spent by the Value Them Both campaign in 2022, and gave the campaign nearly three-fourths of all the money it raised this year. Unlike with partisan political candidates, federal tax regulations allow churches to donate to and campaign on ballot measures.
Of the nearly $3.5 million funneled to the campaign by Catholic donors this year, $2.45 million came from the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas. The archdiocese is the largest single donor to either campaign.
The remaining $1 million funneled from Catholics came from around the state — the Catholic Diocese of Wichita gave $550,000, the Kansas Catholic Conference gave $275,000 and other individual congregations throughout Kansas gave over $200,000.
https://flatlandkc.org/news-issues/follo...dment-ads/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 1:18 am
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/15...3697829893
West Virginia Republicans want to end Child Support. But tell me again how this isn't a war on women and it's about "Personal Responsbility". Go ahead. I dare you.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 2:59 am
(August 2, 2022 at 11:53 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: The Catholic Church spent literally millions to make abortion illegal in Kansas, but they failed as people in Kansas voted against the law.
Quote:But when the draft opinion leaked showing that the U.S. Supreme Court would overturn Roe, abortion rights became a national debate again – and Kansas voters would be the first in the country to vote on abortion rights once the battle shifted to the states.
Money and messaging flowed in with the goal of influencing Kansas voters, who remain closely divided on the issue. Two organizations formed to campaign on either side raised — and spent — more than $11 million between them since the start of the year – most of it on political ads.
Catholic churches, conferences and affiliated organizations funded nearly two-thirds of the $5.4 million spent by the Value Them Both campaign in 2022, and gave the campaign nearly three-fourths of all the money it raised this year. Unlike with partisan political candidates, federal tax regulations allow churches to donate to and campaign on ballot measures.
Of the nearly $3.5 million funneled to the campaign by Catholic donors this year, $2.45 million came from the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas. The archdiocese is the largest single donor to either campaign.
The remaining $1 million funneled from Catholics came from around the state — the Catholic Diocese of Wichita gave $550,000, the Kansas Catholic Conference gave $275,000 and other individual congregations throughout Kansas gave over $200,000.
https://flatlandkc.org/news-issues/follo...dment-ads/
Expect to find that a lot of the people that voted to keep the right to choose will have lost their right to vote in November.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 7:28 am
This is paranoia gone off the deep-end.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 11:50 am
Ask a xians pro-lifer what happens to the soul of an aborted baby?
They will have to say it goes straight to heaven.
Then ask them why is it a wrong thing?
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 12:14 pm
(August 3, 2022 at 11:50 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Ask a xians pro-lifer what happens to the soul of an aborted baby?
They will have to say it goes straight to heaven.
Then ask them why is it a wrong thing?
How about the soul of a fertilized egg. No neurons, no experiences, just a bunch of DNA strands and some cellular machinery.
Were the souls created at the magical moment of conception, or did they come from a "soul bank" in heaven that doles them out?
Many fertilized eggs never grow into babies, even without abortion. If the souls go to heaven, are they egg souls, or do they get to be people like everyone else? If they never got put into a fallen body and subjected to possible eternal punishment, isn't that a good thing?
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 12:42 pm
Gotta wonder since jesusgod knows every hair on your head before conception, do the aborted atheists babies go right to hell for the awesome torture stuff?
Abortion is just another way humans are fixing godthings shitty design.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 2:31 pm
(August 3, 2022 at 7:28 am)Jehanne Wrote: This is paranoia gone off the deep-end.
What do you mean? It's a documented fact that the republitraitor party illegally disenfranchised between 10 million and 13 million US citizens in 2016 and at least 8.5 million in 2020.
This referendum is a perfect opportunity to further refine who they get to remove the vote from.
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 4:33 pm
(August 3, 2022 at 2:31 pm)GUBU Wrote: (August 3, 2022 at 7:28 am)Jehanne Wrote: This is paranoia gone off the deep-end.
What do you mean? It's a documented fact that the republitraitor party illegally disenfranchised between 10 million and 13 million US citizens in 2016 and at least 8.5 million in 2020.
This referendum is a perfect opportunity to further refine who they get to remove the vote from.
The vote in Kansas was a landslide!
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RE: Roe v. Wade is gone.
August 3, 2022 at 7:49 pm
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2022 at 7:51 pm by TheJefe817.)
Edit: I posted this before scrolling up, apparently. Clearly it has been noted already, but I'll leave my comments.
I did not see anyone post a about this yet, but then I've also been on vacation, disconnected from...well...pretty much everything, and also just turned 50, so maybe my brain missed it. Kansans voted, apparently unexpectedly and apparently with a pretty wide margin, to *not* let the conservative legislature there take up the issue of removing abortion protections from the state constitution. I think I have that right - the initiative was worded so oddly that it's hard to avoid double negatives.
Regardless, this seems like a huge deal to me. Kansas is a very reliably red state, and this in my mind underscores the public sentiment on this issue, even in ruby red areas. It also makes me wonder if we are in for a bit of a shock in November - clearly there were a lot of Reps in Kansas who did not listen to the directives being fed to them by their elected officials. I was really shocked to see the magnitude of the defeat.
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