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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 25, 2022 at 6:02 pm
(August 19, 2022 at 12:45 pm)Aegon Wrote: Name a single commandment or virtue that requires a belief in God to learn and understand, that I can't learn on my own in a logical and secular fashion. Seriously. Name one.
" Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
To answer Nudger, I think that your interpretation of the NT is a bit flawed, what makes you think that it is authoritarian and coercive?
Also, do you guys think that human nature is good, bad or somewhere in between?
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 25, 2022 at 6:38 pm
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Why do I think it's authoritarian and coercive....?
Who am I supposed to be loving again? The lord..my god? Or else what? Some questions seem like they answer themselves.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 25, 2022 at 10:10 pm
(August 25, 2022 at 6:02 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: Also, do you guys think that human nature is good, bad or somewhere in between?
Basically to the good side of neutral. (If it were otherwise, we wouldn't have advanced this far - we'd be constantly sleeping with one eye open and fighting running battles with the tribe from the next village.)
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 26, 2022 at 9:01 am
(August 25, 2022 at 10:10 pm)Astreja Wrote: (August 25, 2022 at 6:02 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: Also, do you guys think that human nature is good, bad or somewhere in between?
Basically to the good side of neutral. (If it were otherwise, we wouldn't have advanced this far - we'd be constantly sleeping with one eye open and fighting running battles with the tribe from the next village.)
You just described all of human history.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 26, 2022 at 9:18 am
I think human behavior is more influenced by environmental context than by any basic nature, so the question is of lesser importance to me. I see human nature as neither good nor bad, endemically, as I wouldn't know to what it is good or bad by relation.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 26, 2022 at 9:29 am
Maybe neutral at best inherently but good given the right circumstances? We're violent mammals, both territorial and social, and our murder rates reflect the violence found in social primates. But murder has gone from one of the leading causes of death to being something rare enough to be shocking unless we're at war. We're still the same violent species we were in 10,000 BC; but the arc of social organization has been towards managing our violent impulses. IMHO.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 26, 2022 at 9:31 am
Killing bad is a tough rule to stick with when the other guy wont stop killing you. 
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
August 30, 2022 at 11:30 am
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2022 at 11:34 am by Aegon.)
(August 25, 2022 at 6:02 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: (August 19, 2022 at 12:45 pm)Aegon Wrote: Name a single commandment or virtue that requires a belief in God to learn and understand, that I can't learn on my own in a logical and secular fashion. Seriously. Name one.
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
To answer Nudger, I think that your interpretation of the NT is a bit flawed, what makes you think that it is authoritarian and coercive?
Also, do you guys think that human nature is good, bad or somewhere in between?
Cool, the only commandment I can't do is loving "God." So everything else regarding kindness, empathy, morality, etc. I can do. But you're right, I won't love God. That's fine with me? Lmao. Idk what point you thought you were making.
Human nature is not good or bad. That makes no sense. "Good" and "bad" are inherently subjective. How could we "naturally" be something subjective? I don't like the question. It's like asking what the natural state of H20 is. There isn't one, it's always dependent upon context.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
September 1, 2022 at 7:45 pm
Okay Aegon, what is the nature of religion?
Is it good, bad or neutral?
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
September 2, 2022 at 2:15 am
(September 1, 2022 at 7:45 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: Okay Aegon, what is the nature of religion?
Is it good, bad or neutral?
It's bad. I mean, look at yourself. You believe that Earth is flat because of religion. That can not be good.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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