If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist

[h4ym4n]

Remember, they aren’t aloud to think for themselves

Proverbs 3:5-6
New International Version
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
   and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
   and he will make your paths straight.[a]

[R-Farmer]

I disagree. just look at your default presupposition on who and what God is supposed to be.. This idea of perfection can also be found in super early church writings. Where do you think you got it from? What the Bible says is this idea of man's perfection is wrong. the idea of God having to be our perfect version of God is wrong. Rather because God is the master creator He becomes the standard bearer of what perfection is. So even if he retains a trait that 'we' see as being flawed, it is our judgement that is flawed, and what ever perceived attribute we have identified is in fact apart of God's perfection.

God does not have to yield to our standard of perfection inorder to be God.


And if you took say, eggs and baby animals instead of full grown adults? If eggs were taken that would represent all avian reptiles and amphibians which would take up a fraction of the space and eliminate the need to feed them. (that's 3/4s of every class of creature on the planet.) Then if you took baby mammals all you would need is a large source of milk and that would also take up a fraction of the space and reduce the needs for most of the food.

That said the story of the ark is not a logistical tale of how one man saved the world from an angry God, but how God used and helped one man save the world from a level of sin it had never seen before or have seen since.

If only the Bible had thought to mention Noah was gathering eggs and babies aboard the ark, you wouldn't have to make those details up to explain the logistics problems. Remember that Noah only built the ark, the animals arrived under their own power, from all over the world. I suppose the eggs rolled over land and sea to get there? You're twisting reason into a pretzel to justify an explanation for surviving a global flood that there's no evidence happened in the first place. It seems like you'd be in a better postition sticking with the metaphorical lessons of the tale, since you acknoweledge that aspect of it anyway.

Noah did not gather anything God delivered it to him.
20 Two of every kind of bird, animal, and creeping thing will come to you so that you might keep them alive.

 

I suppose the eggs rolled over land and sea to get there?

Or the animals came and left eggs..

You're twisting reason into a pretzel to justify an explanation for surviving a global flood that there's no evidence happened in the first place. It seems like you'd be in a better postition sticking with the metaphorical lessons of the tale, since you acknoweledge that aspect of it anyway.

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[R-Farmer]

That doesn't follow..

What does turning a situation over to god have to do with having doctor monitor and or advise on the situation?
where in my story did I say I was not grateful to everyone involved including my first doctor?

Is what it? Durning over something to God means to chose to worship and praise no matter the out come. that I would not pray or try to influence what I thought my immediate needs were. That I would allow God to decide my out come. 


I had an insurance issue with the first dr. so I went to a place that would work with the insurance I had. Again kinda allowing God/fate to decide. The point is I was ok whatever the out come. that is what is meant by giving it to god. Not waiting for God to heal me. I though that point was made clear in the last post when I said I did not mean to suggest that cancer can only be healed or even that it was possible or that one is immune to cancer just because they believe in god.

God guided you by using your insurance company?

Sure why not?

Silly thought on too many levels.

only if you assume god can only work in magic and miracles.

Apologetics are so boring.

have you ever tried bird watching.. Much more boring-er..

[arewethereyet]

Such a hot steaming pile that just keeps growing.

The easter bunny went to ark and dropped off eggs that didn't need to be incubated.

[R-Farmer]

It seems you have veered off topic. The question I asked was based on your comment that you wanted/preferred flexible morality over god's ridged never changing righteousness.

My question is If society makes it legal for MAPs to have sex with children would you be ok with this? because like it or not know it or not this movement is gaining traction. I'm just asking do you have a line where you say no to the continuous evolution of morality?

Again no judgement or offense intended. Nor am I looking to challenge your answer. Just wanted to see how far this line of thought goes.

Nudger has stated that his positon is one of objective morality. How did you arrive at the notion that he would bow to the winds of moral fashion. If I were him I would be offended at the insuation as well. What on earth makes you think this is his 'line of thought' in the first place? Are you so convinced that he's a moral relativist that you litertally can't hear him when he tells you he's not?

I have no control if one gets offended or not. I'm just communicating your personal offense was not the goal of the question.

That said I thought I was abundantly clear with the delivery of my question as to why I asked how far would nudger's acceptance of evolving morality would go. Because I wanted to see if there was a line. (Seemingly so)  then the next question would be at what point is said line drawn? I ask this to then ask What makes this the end of your moral relativism any different than the line God drew in the sand? Why is His line bad.. but your's/nudger's ok?

[R-Farmer]

If only the Bible had thought to mention Noah was gathering eggs and babies aboard the ark, you wouldn't have to make those details up to explain the logistics problems. Remember that Noah only built the ark, the animals arrived under their own power, from all over the world. I suppose the eggs rolled over land and sea to get there? You're twisting reason into a pretzel to justify an explanation for surviving a global flood that there's no evidence happened in the first place. It seems like you'd be in a better postition sticking with the metaphorical lessons of the tale, since you acknoweledge that aspect of it anyway.

Noah did not gather anything God delivered it to him.
20 Two of every kind of bird, animal, and creeping thing will come to you so that you might keep them alive.

 

I suppose the eggs rolled over land and sea to get there?

Or the animals came and left eggs..

You're twisting reason into a pretzel to justify an explanation for surviving a global flood that there's no evidence happened in the first place. It seems like you'd be in a better postition sticking with the metaphorical lessons of the tale, since you acknoweledge that aspect of it anyway.

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sorry I thought it was a 30 day or 30 post rule. I see my error. will not happen again.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If only the Bible had thought to mention Noah was gathering eggs and babies aboard the ark, you wouldn't have to make those details up to explain the logistics problems. Remember that Noah only built the ark, the animals arrived under their own power, from all over the world. I suppose the eggs rolled over land and sea to get there? You're twisting reason into a pretzel to justify an explanation for surviving a global flood that there's no evidence happened in the first place. It seems like you'd be in a better postition sticking with the metaphorical lessons of the tale, since you acknoweledge that aspect of it anyway.

Noah did not gather anything God delivered it to him.
20 Two of every kind of bird, animal, and creeping thing will come to you so that you might keep them alive.

 

I suppose the eggs rolled over land and sea to get there?

Or the animals came and left eggs..

You're twisting reason into a pretzel to justify an explanation for surviving a global flood that there's no evidence happened in the first place. It seems like you'd be in a better postition sticking with the metaphorical lessons of the tale, since you acknoweledge that aspect of it anyway.

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What about marsupials? Is it your contention that pregnant koalas swam across the Pacific and Indian Oceans, gave birth, then swam home? Did God instruct Noah on the construction of marsupial pouches? Bear in mind that a joey stays in its mother’s pouch for six to seven months, which is hard to reconcile with five months on the ark.

Also, assuming they didn’t drown while swimming eight thousand miles, how did the koalas eat during the trip? Koalas feed primarily on eucalyptus leaves, which are famous for not growing in the middle of the ocean.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

You continue to fail at this line of questioning because you ask an objectivist what makes one relativist morality “better” than another.

A moral objectivist contends that -all- relativist moralities are false. The idea…to an objectivist…that kiddie fucking is good or bad because a god says so…or good or bad because a society says so….is a complete non-starter.

[Aegon]

Then the plan stinks, along with the one who made it.


Then you would not know which is a female egg from a male egg. Also, eggs need to be incubated. And who would feed them when they hatch? When birds fall out of their nest they are dead.

again.. Not a logistical tale of how one man defied God and saved the world on his own by building a boat. God used Noah and his faith in god to save the world meaning Noah did not gather the animals eggs or alive. God sent them to him. Oh, and all one needs is a 100*F +\- heat source for about 3 to 6 weeks for most incubation cycles. Which is not a problem in the summer months. On top of that composting hay will get between 120 and 140*F in the center of the pile. it gets cooler towards the outside.

All I'm pointing out is if animals were loaded up in their baby form 90% of the space you think is needed isn't.

Dude there are literally 8 million+ species of animal on the planet. But they're in baby form so they fit? What are you smoking?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

again.. Not a logistical tale of how one man defied God and saved the world on his own by building a boat. God used Noah and his faith in god to save the world meaning Noah did not gather the animals eggs or alive. God sent them to him. Oh, and all one needs is a 100*F +\- heat source for about 3 to 6 weeks for most incubation cycles. Which is not a problem in the summer months. On top of that composting hay will get between 120 and 140*F in the center of the pile. it gets cooler towards the outside.

All I'm pointing out is if animals were loaded up in their baby form 90% of the space you think is needed isn't.

Dude there are literally 8 million+ species of animal on the planet. But they're in baby form so they fit? What are you smoking?

Maybe Noah just took DNA samples from all the animal and kept them in cryotanks. When he left the Ark, he built a full-scale genetics lab and reconstituted all the species. He also - apparently - figured a workaround to prevent inbreeding from a gene pool of eight people.

It’s no sillier than any other explanation.

Boru