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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 9, 2023 at 8:30 pm
Thank You, Angrboda; nice talking with you. Yes, I agree that can be True too, lol; Atheists too can sharpen their Arguments in discussions with us Christians.
To the Militant Atheist Bucky:
Quote:I still have access to the very best of the plagiarism tools at the academic center I got one of my degrees at.
I plan to run everything you have written here through it, and each and every instance of your writing that is not attributed to
to the real original source will be exposed.
LOLOL. Ooh, I'm so afraid. Do it, then, Bucky, and you'll know I wrote every Single Word of it myself, except only those I correctly attributed either to those Saints or Scholars I mentioned, like Saint Irenaeus, or Sir William Ramsay, or A.T. Robinson. I remind readers that Robinson, generally a Liberal Theologian, said the Gospels were written by their traditional authors, in the order that we name them, and before 60 to 65 A.D. or so.
I wrote an article for an American Website, which is my own work on the Gospels, but I will not give the link of respect for the rules; I will post, however, something a reader shared with me personally about it after reading it: "I appreciate the syllogisms presented in the article. They simplify all the meandering theories that I was taught immensely, and make far more sense. Data is good here. It breaks the trance of 150 years of hypnotic scholarship."
You see, I post with my Real Name here because I have nothing to fear from man. I also discovered, in the process of doing Gospel Research in my spare time, that I ultimately ended up covering/discovering some original research, which I don't believe anyone has covered before in written works. I might write a book about it some day.
You see, while I love math/finance, that's all a little dust compared to Eternal Happiness, as well as the Joy of Giving Eternal Happiness to others. Only of course God, Jesus Christ did that perfectly to be sure, but Christians who obey Christ, and love their neighbor, also do a share of that. If we are wrong, we are harmless and just mistaken; if however, we are right, we too, along with God, are giving you Eternal Happiness, an Immeasurable Gift, and to give an Immeasurable Gift to others, and desire them to be happy, in this life and the next, is to show Christ's Love. That, and nothing else, is what motivated the Great Missionaries of Old, like St. Augustine of Canterbury, St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, right down to St. Pope John Paul II, who helped bring down the Evil Empire of Atheistic Communism in the Soviet Union, Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen, St. Padre Pio, St. Mother Theresa, as well as wonderful Evangelical, and also staunchly Anti-Racist Christians like Billy Graham and Reinhard Bonnke. It's as simple as Pope Leo says in my signature, although indeed the primary purpose of Christianity is not earthly prosperity per se, but eternal prosperity, yet in point of fact, it ends up securing also that earthly prosperity, by seeking the Kingdom of God and the Good of Souls first. Seek first the Kingdom of God, and everything else will be added; and in Christian Charities, Hospitals, and more, that has amply come true. Those who became Full Time Missionaries did so out of nothing but Christ's Love in their heart; yet they did so much good for humanity as a whole also.
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 9, 2023 at 8:52 pm
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(July 9, 2023 at 8:30 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Thank You, Angrboda; nice talking with you. Yes, I agree that can be True too, lol; Atheists too can sharpen their Arguments in discussions with us Christians.
To the Militant Atheist Bucky:
Quote:I still have access to the very best of the plagiarism tools at the academic center I got one of my degrees at.
I plan to run everything you have written here through it, and each and every instance of your writing that is not attributed to
to the real original source will be exposed.
LOLOL. Ooh, I'm so afraid. Do it, then, Bucky, and you'll know I wrote every Single Word of it myself, except only those I correctly attributed either to those Saints or Scholars I mentioned, like Saint Irenaeus, or Sir William Ramsay, or A.T. Robinson. I remind readers that Robinson, generally a Liberal Theologian, said the Gospels were written by their traditional authors, in the order that we name them, and before 60 to 65 A.D. or so.
I wrote an article for an American Website, which is my own work on the Gospels, but I will not give the link of respect for the rules; I will post, however, something a reader shared with me personally about it after reading it: "I appreciate the syllogisms presented in the article. They simplify all the meandering theories that I was taught immensely, and make far more sense. Data is good here. It breaks the trance of 150 years of hypnotic scholarship."
You see, I post with my Real Name here because I have nothing to fear from man. I also discovered, in the process of doing Gospel Research in my spare time, that I ultimately ended up covering/discovering some original research, which I don't believe anyone has covered before in written works. I might write a book about it some day.
You see, while I love math/finance, that's all a little dust compared to Eternal Happiness, as well as the Joy of Giving Eternal Happiness to others. Only of course God, Jesus Christ did that perfectly to be sure, but Christians who obey Christ, and love their neighbor, also do a share of that. If we are wrong, we are harmless and just mistaken; if however, we are right, we too, along with God, are giving you Eternal Happiness, an Immeasurable Gift, and to give an Immeasurable Gift to others, and desire them to be happy, in this life and the next, is to show Christ's Love. That, and nothing else, is what motivated the Great Missionaries of Old, like St. Augustine of Canterbury, St. Patrick, the Apostle of Ireland, right down to St. Pope John Paul II, who helped bring down the Evil Empire of Atheistic Communism in the Soviet Union, Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen, St. Padre Pio, St. Mother Theresa, as well as wonderful Evangelical, and also staunchly Anti-Racist Christians like Billy Graham and Reinhard Bonnke. It's as simple as Pope Leo says in my signature, although indeed the primary purpose of Christianity is not earthly prosperity per se, but eternal prosperity, yet in point of fact, it ends up securing also that earthly prosperity, by seeking the Kingdom of God and the Good of Souls first. Seek first the Kingdom of God, and everything else will be added; and in Christian Charities, Hospitals, and more, that has amply come true. Those who became Full Time Missionaries did so out of nothing but Christ's Love in their heart; yet they did so much good for humanity as a whole also.
To militant proselytizing evangelical conservative NX,
bla bla bla.
Goodness aren't we boastful, all of a sudden. "Pride goeth before the fall", child.
We do know that you have the simplistic knowledge of a 3rd Grader in Cathodic School.
What you seen to miss, is the BASICS of debate : "Know your audience".
You're not doing very well here, are you ?
You know nothing about non-believers, and you totally misjudge us. Obviously you're a rank beginner at whatever you think you're doing, (so dissatisfied with your failure at banking).
You maybe could have been good at it and been a philanthropist, but I see you failed and admit it.
You're wasting your time here. You're deluding yourself that even a minute here is well-spent. No one buys your bullshit.
You have nothing to offer that we value. We dismiss outright your unsupported bullshit of eternal happiness, (a totally non-Biblical idea).
Maybe someday you will get an education. I doubt it.
STOP your fucking preaching. Asshole.
You Fundy preachers are a dime a dozen. Cheap idiots who think they know better than their audience.
Do you plan to EVER post something original or worthwhile reading ?
Did Jesus employ your methods at persuasion ?
LMAO
BTW, I'm not an atheist. I realize that from where you're from, your sights are very very limited, but actually in the big world, there are igtheists.
Google is your friend. There is no coherent definition of the concept "god" which you fail to grasp, and we are known as "igtheists". You have no coherent definition of the word "god:"
and if you had ever bothered to read your own scripture you would know that.
Roman 11:33 "Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!"
Y^OU are not the exception.
Let me share with you a book from a Jesuit priest you desperately need to read ... before you embarrass yourself any further :
https://www.amazon.com/How-Share-Your-Fa...343&sr=8-1
You really ought to know this, but ... according to YOUR church's Catechism, anyone who honestly follows their own conscience is saved.
How is it you don't know this ?
Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church :
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
You are a judgmental fool, THE one Jesus said "Judge not, lest ye be judged". We don't need your idiot sermons. Your own church says if we are sincere, we are saved.
Now fuck off.
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Matthew 7 : 1-5
It's very sad that you never learned to so arrange your life that you found the mystical joy that the mystics in your faith all talked about, and experienced, and instead have only the future in a heaven to look for. Saints are those who actually do they were meant to be doing ever hour of every day all their lives. I've know that since I was about 5 or 6. I feel very sorry for you.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 9, 2023 at 9:10 pm
Stop trying to fight the catholic brain washing. It seems to be pointless and all we will ever get is catholic regurtation.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 9, 2023 at 11:17 pm
Which gospels are you talking about ?
There were more than 200 gospels.
Then the church suppressed most all of them.
Irenaeus said there should be four because there were four winds and four pillars the Earth stood on.
LMAO. Makes sense .... NOT.
I like the Gospel of Thomas.
They asked Jesus to turn Mary Magdalene into a guy, so she could "fully experience the sacred mysteries".
Cough cough.
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 10, 2023 at 12:16 am
(July 9, 2023 at 1:47 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: whereas Christianity can promise us Eternal Happiness, in God's Palace in Heaven, with Jesus and Mary, with Angels and Saints, with singing and dancing, with rejoicing and love, then it's perfectly rational and reasonable to choose Christ's Promise and Christ's Happiness. Not that I personally believe it's only 50-50 of course, but just saying; and imo, anyone who does a serious study of the Gospels, and prays to God or seeks the Truth sincerely, will see it's far more credible Christ was telling the Truth than lying, given that He has confirmed the Truth of His Promise by its known effects in the Lives of His Apostles, as Martyred Eyewitnesses.
Then give all your money away and starve on the streets and you'll supposedly be at god's heavenly palace that you believe in. That would certainly be what the Gospels are instructing people to do. But no. You brag about your wealth and the comfy life you have as if you don't believe that there is this super dupper world awaiting you after you die.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 10, 2023 at 12:35 am
Nishant thinks that just because he is congenitally incapable of smelling, other people telling him what his shot smells like doesn’t signify. if he just keep shoveling pure shit, eventually people will turn off their sense of smell too and be convinced his shit smell like roses.
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 10, 2023 at 2:06 am
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NX wrote
Quote:anyone who does a serious study of the Gospels, and prays to God or seeks the Truth sincerely, will see it's far more credible Christ was telling the Truth than lying, given that He has confirmed the Truth of His Promise by its known effects in the Lives of His Apostles, as Martyred Eyewitnesses.
False.
There's this weird obsessive compulsive holy roller neurosis in Catholics. I know it has a name, but I can't remember it.
Go over to "Catholic Answers". It's everywhere there. Part of it is they capitalize everything, (like Trump's tweets). "Martyred Eyewitnesses" ... LOL
Anyway, it's all totally unnecessary.
St. Paul says faith is a gift. We don't have it. That's good, and it's unnecessary. It's like the cooties .. you don't want any.
And as was shown above, even the Roman Church says you are saved if you live an honest life, according to your conscience.
All the holy roller shit is unnecessary ... it's in their Catechism.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 10, 2023 at 3:17 am
Creatures like our dearest nishy routinely display their inability to comprehend, yet proudly pageant parroted prattle passed off as picture perfect precision.
It is righteously divine for them to insult, abuse, and disrespect those with differing opinions, but complete disgraceful blasphemy when those mossacians switch feet.
When faced with questions their stupid little playbook is not capable of answering, they either completely ignore it, or they cry that meanies hurt their wittwe feel feels. Either way, they hide behind something.
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 10, 2023 at 4:44 am
(July 9, 2023 at 1:47 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: whereas Christianity can promise us Eternal Happiness, in God's Palace in Heaven, with Jesus and Mary, with Angels and Saints, with singing and dancing, with rejoicing and love, then it's perfectly rational and reasonable to choose Christ's Promise and Christ's Happiness.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence.
July 10, 2023 at 5:28 am
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What about all those that came before christ's promise? You know, since christ's promise is only about 2,000 years old, and the most modern hoomans are 150,000 years old. Not to mention all the previous versions of hoomans.
Why is christ's promise so late to the picture?
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