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September 17, 2023 at 8:17 am (This post was last modified: September 17, 2023 at 8:19 am by WinterHold.)
(September 16, 2023 at 10:32 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:
(September 16, 2023 at 4:27 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The atheist explanation is just a give up tactic; a letting go. Trying to forget that impending feeling of knowing there was a story before all of this.
Theist story before all this:
A rib-woman ate a magic fruit at the bidding of a talking snake, and now all her descendants will burn for eternity unless they use ESP to tell the invisible son of a virgin that he should be their lord and savior.
That's the Christian story that I don't believe in or even consider.
Instead, I believe in the story mentioned in the Quran; here are the Quranic verses:
(115) And indeed, We once made a covenant with Adam, but he forgot, and ˹so˺ We did not find determination in him.
(116) And ˹remember˺ when We said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs [Satan's name in Arabic],1 who refused ˹arrogantly˺.
(117) So We cautioned, “O Adam! This is surely an enemy to you and to your wife. So do not let him drive you both out of Paradise, for you ˹O Adam˺ would then suffer ˹hardship˺.
(118) Here it is guaranteed that you will never go hungry or unclothed,
(119) nor will you ˹ever˺ suffer from thirst or ˹the sun’s˺ heat.”1
(120) But Satan whispered to him, saying, “O Adam! Shall I show you the Tree of Immortality and a kingdom that does not fade away?”
(121) So they both ate from the tree and then their nakedness was exposed to them, prompting them to cover themselves with leaves from Paradise. So Adam disobeyed his Lord, and ˹so˺ lost his way.1
(122) Then his Lord chose him ˹for His grace˺, accepted his repentance, and guided him ˹rightly˺.
(123) Allah said, “Descend, both of you, from here together ˹with Satan˺ as enemies to each other. Then when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray ˹in this life˺ nor suffer ˹in the next˺.
(124) But whoever turns away from My Reminder will certainly have a miserable life,1 then We will raise them up blind on the Day of Judgment.”
This story is our origin. Why we are here on this planet.
We weren't made to live this life, no wonder we die after some time on this planet.
(September 17, 2023 at 8:17 am)WinterHold Wrote: That's the Christian story that I don't believe in or even consider.
Instead, I believe in the story mentioned in the Quran; here are the Quranic verses:
(116) And ˹remember˺ when We said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs [Satan's name in Arabic],1 who refused ˹arrogantly˺.
He thought it was Test Day. You're supposed to worship God alone.
(September 17, 2023 at 8:25 am)LinuxGal Wrote: You're supposed to worship God alone.
I suspect that "alone" shit is so they could claim to be praying as and when required, but they have to be "alone" to do it. Then they spend the time beating the kids. Hypocrisy, as usual.
(September 16, 2023 at 10:32 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: Theist story before all this:
A rib-woman ate a magic fruit at the bidding of a talking snake, and now all her descendants will burn for eternity unless they use ESP to tell the invisible son of a virgin that he should be their lord and savior.
That's the Christian story that I don't believe in or even consider.
Instead, I believe in the story mentioned in the Quran; here are the Quranic verses:
(115) And indeed, We once made a covenant with Adam, but he forgot, and ˹so˺ We did not find determination in him.
(116) And ˹remember˺ when We said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs [Satan's name in Arabic],1 who refused ˹arrogantly˺.
(117) So We cautioned, “O Adam! This is surely an enemy to you and to your wife. So do not let him drive you both out of Paradise, for you ˹O Adam˺ would then suffer ˹hardship˺.
(118) Here it is guaranteed that you will never go hungry or unclothed,
(119) nor will you ˹ever˺ suffer from thirst or ˹the sun’s˺ heat.”1
(120) But Satan whispered to him, saying, “O Adam! Shall I show you the Tree of Immortality and a kingdom that does not fade away?”
(121) So they both ate from the tree and then their nakedness was exposed to them, prompting them to cover themselves with leaves from Paradise. So Adam disobeyed his Lord, and ˹so˺ lost his way.1
(122) Then his Lord chose him ˹for His grace˺, accepted his repentance, and guided him ˹rightly˺.
(123) Allah said, “Descend, both of you, from here together ˹with Satan˺ as enemies to each other. Then when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray ˹in this life˺ nor suffer ˹in the next˺.
(124) But whoever turns away from My Reminder will certainly have a miserable life,1 then We will raise them up blind on the Day of Judgment.”
This story is our origin. Why we are here on this planet.
We weren't made to live this life, no wonder we die after some time on this planet.
(my bold)
When you truly understand why you dismiss all other beliefs, you'll understand why we dismiss yours.
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(September 17, 2023 at 8:17 am)WinterHold Wrote: That's the Christian story that I don't believe in or even consider.
Instead, I believe in the story mentioned in the Quran; here are the Quranic verses:
He thought it was Test Day. You're supposed to worship God alone.
No, he refused to prostrate to the new creation of God because he was extremely racist:
(75) Allah asked, “O Iblîs! What prevented you from prostrating to what I created with My Own Hands? Did you ˹just˺ become proud? Or have you always been arrogant?”
(76) He replied, “I am better than he is: You created me from fire and him from clay.”
(77) Allah commanded, “Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly cursed.
(78) And surely upon you is My condemnation until the Day of Judgment.”
(79) Satan appealed, “My Lord! Then delay my end until the Day of their resurrection.”
(80) Allah said, “You will be delayed
(81) until the appointed Day.”
(82) Satan said, “By Your Glory! I will certainly mislead them all,
(83) except Your chosen servants among them.”
Satan's objection was clear: a creature of fire (him) shall never prostrate to a creature of mud (human being).
(September 17, 2023 at 1:47 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Satan's objection was clear: a creature of fire (him) shall never prostrate to a creature of mud (human being).
Racism is a satanic deed.
According to Sufi teaching God gave isharato Iblis that he should not bow down and so he disobeyed, lest he commit shirk, but in hissirrhe was the most loyal servant who was willing to suffer punishment in order to demonstrate pure tawhid. That makes Iblis the best Muslim in history.
(September 17, 2023 at 1:47 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Satan's objection was clear: a creature of fire (him) shall never prostrate to a creature of mud (human being).
Racism is a satanic deed.
According to Sufi teaching God gave isharato Iblis that he should not bow down and so he disobeyed, lest he commit shirk, but in hissirrhe was the most loyal servant who was willing to suffer punishment in order to demonstrate pure tawhid. That makes Iblis the best Muslim in history.
That is pretty insulting to God, painting him as a toddler who plays pranks and give secret "signs/ishara" to creatures. Thus; I don't even consider such interpretations.
(September 17, 2023 at 2:20 pm)WinterHold Wrote: That is pretty insulting to God, painting him as a toddler who plays pranks and give secret "signs/ishara" to creatures. Thus; I don't even consider such interpretations.
You can't insult imaginary "beings". You can suck their imaginary cocks if you like.
