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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 9:34 am
(September 19, 2023 at 4:48 am)h4ym4n Wrote: (September 18, 2023 at 10:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote: God wasn't punishing them for corruption. If He cared so much about corruption, there would never be a serial killer who would be allowed to do what they do.
The concept in Islam is that just like God cares about his creatures not corrupting, he also cares about "creatures with a brain" to have total freedom in choosing what they do.
Literally, it is one of the concepts of Islam:
So this is what God does exactly: he creates; he created life, death, sin, cruelty, mercy, love, hate, light, darkness, heat and cold.
He also created freedom, and gave it to humans:
But he warned humans from evil deeds -even though he created them-, he ordered humans not to do evil, not to do corruption, but like the government in Libya, or the serial killer, criminals exist as a test for the good:
Your god didn’t give me the freedom to not be born.
Why doesn’t god give us the freedom to not be born into a world that it created that has death,sin, cruelty,mercy…..?
Doesn't prove anything. Most people would rather be alive than not.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 9:37 am
(September 19, 2023 at 9:34 am)Ahriman Wrote: (September 19, 2023 at 4:48 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Your god didn’t give me the freedom to not be born.
Why doesn’t god give us the freedom to not be born into a world that it created that has death,sin, cruelty,mercy…..?
Doesn't prove anything. Most people would rather be alive than not.
Except you wished you were aborted, right?
Not trying to prove anything. Just showing that we do not have freedom from any god.
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 12:32 pm
(September 19, 2023 at 9:34 am)Ahriman Wrote: Doesn't prove anything. Most people would rather be alive than not.
1. How do you know this?
2. The question should be put to the unborn, not people who are already committed.
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 2:32 pm
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(September 19, 2023 at 4:48 am)h4ym4n Wrote: (September 18, 2023 at 10:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote: God wasn't punishing them for corruption. If He cared so much about corruption, there would never be a serial killer who would be allowed to do what they do.
The concept in Islam is that just like God cares about his creatures not corrupting, he also cares about "creatures with a brain" to have total freedom in choosing what they do.
Literally, it is one of the concepts of Islam:
So this is what God does exactly: he creates; he created life, death, sin, cruelty, mercy, love, hate, light, darkness, heat and cold.
He also created freedom, and gave it to humans:
But he warned humans from evil deeds -even though he created them-, he ordered humans not to do evil, not to do corruption, but like the government in Libya, or the serial killer, criminals exist as a test for the good:
Your god didn’t give me the freedom to not be born.
Why doesn’t god give us the freedom to not be born into a world that it created that has death,sin, cruelty,mercy…..?
But he gave people the freedom to kill themselves.
Though; he warned from that path:
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
https://quran.com/4?startingVerse=29&translations=149
(29) O you who have attained faith, do not devour each other’s wealths illicitly; rather(lawfully) , if it should be abargain1 by your mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves; indeed, Allah has always been Bestowing of mercy upon you.
He warned you from killing yourself, his mercy will touch all, even the non-believers; see this verse:
Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
https://quran.com/17?startingVerse=20
(20) To all—these and these(as well) —We extend from the gifts of your Lord , for the gifts of your Lord have never been restricted.
So he gave you the ability to end it all in this life, but warned you from doing it
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 2:45 pm
(September 19, 2023 at 4:49 am)h4ym4n Wrote: (September 18, 2023 at 10:46 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The fingers you type this message with.
He made that.
It also kills babies with cancer it created
He isn't a human with a limited finite life. He is an immortal God. Those children will get created from scratch once again in the after-life, God says about that day:
Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
https://quran.com/11?startingVerse=103
(103) Indeed, in that is a sign for whoever fears the punishment of the Hereafter. That is a day for which mankind will be gathered together, and that is a day to be witnessed,
(104) and we only postpone it until a predetermined term.
(105) On the day when it arrives, not a single self can speak without His leave, so some will be wretched and some will be happy.
In that day, the dead will be recreated, even science spoke about the theory of the Multiverse, and that maybe at the end of this universe, a new one will be made.
About the hereafter, here, AI pictured how it will look like:
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 3:07 pm
I really don't think that "multiverse" thing will happen.
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 3:23 pm
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(September 19, 2023 at 3:07 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I really don't think that "multiverse" thing will happen.
TBH with you, famous scientists like 'Penrose' did condemn the theory for good reasons, I just say it's a possibility because I prefer to link all religious things I believe in to scientific theories.
But what are your reasons to refuse the theory ?
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 3:36 pm
(September 19, 2023 at 3:23 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (September 19, 2023 at 3:07 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I really don't think that "multiverse" thing will happen.
TBH with you, famous scientists like 'Penrose' did condemn the theory for good reasons, I just say it's a possibility because I prefer to link all religious things I believe in to scientific theories.
But what are your reasons to refuse the theory ?
Seems too much like comic book movie stuff.
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 4:20 pm
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(September 19, 2023 at 3:36 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (September 19, 2023 at 3:23 pm)WinterHold Wrote: TBH with you, famous scientists like 'Penrose' did condemn the theory for good reasons, I just say it's a possibility because I prefer to link all religious things I believe in to scientific theories.
But what are your reasons to refuse the theory ?
Seems too much like comic book movie stuff.
You can daydream yourself into different dimensions but you draw the line at multiverse theory?
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RE: Every person is religious
September 19, 2023 at 4:22 pm
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