Ron Paul- The Racist Liar

[Minimalist]

This isn't evidence he is racist, or a liar. His claim has never been that he knew nothing about the newsletter's existence, but rather that he didn't know anything about the content, since he didn't personally write or read them.

1) "Libertarian personal responsibility" is just that...personal responsibility. He didn't write the newsletters; they weren't his responsibility. Having said that, even though the content had nothing to do with him, he's apologized for it, and disavowed them. What more do you people want?

2) The video shows he knew about the newsletter's existence, which was never in doubt, and he has never stated otherwise. The video does not show an admission of him writing the newsletters, or reading them.

This is just the usual leftist attempt at smearing a guy who had some stuff written in his name 20 years ago. It's dirty politics; bringing up some element of the past that has long since been buried and brandishing it like it happened last week.

As a matter of fact it is other conservatives ( granted, they are all assholes) who are doing it Adrian. I'm disappointed in you. The kind of apologetics you are using are usually reserved for the jesus freaks.

[Erinome]

I'm not disappointed in him at all. I kinda like that he is conservative, politically, because it proves that atheism isn't a worldview, nor belief, mindset. It adds some color.

But, shit yeah, total apologetic pish posh.

[amkerman]

This is just the usual leftist attempt at smearing a guy who had some stuff written in his name 20 years ago. It's dirty politics; bringing up some element of the past that has long since been buried and brandishing it like it happened last week.

The usual leftist attempt... Reverend wright, bill ayers...

Not to mention these attacks are being perpetrated by paul's conservative rivals.

Just goes to show how some people adhere to ideologies like they are religions.

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I don't know how to do quotes. Fail on my part. The first part of my response was quoted from raeshida or whatever the name was I forget.

[Autumnlicious]

Tiberius -- I, too, am rather offput by your apologetics.

You, of all people, should know that one is responsible for what one puts their name on and also understand that final editorial review is oft the forte of the guy who runs the operation (in context of publishing).

In any case, being associated with a group of racists even if one isn't racist is hardly favorable, no matter however you phrase it.

So while we lack him blatantly stating his vociferous dislike of whatever, we do have a clear and established pattern of hate material often associated with racist fringe groups appearing around Ron Paul.

And that is a massive concern for a man who would be President.

[Tiberius]

Regardless of if he's a liar or not, I still don't like him. Looking past his libertarian views on economics, Tiberius, you'll see he's the type of person you can't stand; a religious lunatic. He claims to be pro personal freedom but he tries to remove abortion rights for women! He's a libertarian within his Christian bubble. Do not be fooled by creating a hero of a politician.

I wouldn't call him a lunatic. True, he's religious, but I have no qualms with religious people in office, as long as they don't violate church and state, which I've never seen Ron Paul do. The reason he's again abortion "rights" isn't for religious reasons, but for the same reason I'm against them: there are two lives involved in abortion; the mother and the child. Why should a mother have the right to murder her child inside the womb?

If I had a newsletter, and somebody tried publish racist content in my newsletter, I would fire them on the spot. I would never be so negligent that I wouldn't require reviewing it's contents before it was published. If I was too busy, I would make sure that I was responsible for who I hired to write the contents of my newsletter, and would make it clear to my employees that racist rhetoric of any kind is forbidden.

Well as it turns out, he was being negligent. For the last time...he made a mistake; he has since apologized for it. He put his trust in people who he shouldn't have trusted, and he has since disavowed them.

He never read it? Please! If he didn't, then he's the least self-interested person in the world, a veritable saint among men. Or, just a lying liar.

This is a guy who wants to reduce the Presidential salary from $400,000 to $35,000. This is a guy who as a doctor, refused government funds and instead treated people for free if they could not afford to pay. Like it or not, Ron Paul is one of the least self-interested people in the world; his life and his policies are a testament to that.

The reason the whole video was racist, is because he was lying. I could tell by his nonverbal queues that he was lying. He's saying that to reconcile his racism, and obtain the black vote. Is it okay to be a racist, if you lie about it to achieve political advancement? I don't think so. He's overdoing it, painfully.

Have you heard of video editing? Those were all separate clips, joined together into one video. It wasn't one whole speech. If I got together all the quotes from Obama about war, and put them into a video, could I then say that Obama was "overdoing it" talking about war? Well, I could, but I'd be disingenuous. As I said before, you have no proof he is lying; just a "feeling".

WTF are you smokin'? He would be crucified for mentioning that blacks were treated like shit. Crucified. He was tortured by the media, and by members of the house for leaving the word "god" out of his Thanksgiving speech. Imagine what they'd do to him if he mentioned that black people were treated poorly. If he agreed with Ron Paul on his drug policy openly, he would then be accused of being a typical black person because he's in favor of drugs. He can't do it.

You've hit upon the real problem; racism in the media. Why shouldn't Obama say these sorts of things if they are true? Why shouldn't Ron Paul? IMO, we should be talking about the racism of the media, rather than speculate on the racism of a guy who has pledged to do something about the mistreatment of minorities.

Does Barack Obama go to predominately white functions, and talk to them about white struggles? Fuck no. He wants their vote. He doesn't want them to believe he's a racist because he wants their vote. He has been advised to repeat sympathetic bullshit over and over to achieve that goal. Repetition has been proven to be an effective tool in the art of brainwashing.

What "white struggles" would they be? You are missing the point here; black struggles actually exist, hence why Ron Paul is talking about them, and wanting to do something about them. I still don't see that as racist; heck, I see that as something positive for minorities.

No. Racism is backward thinking. I don't believe he wants to legalize drugs. I think he's a liar.

Think that all you want, he's supported drug legalization for years, as have pretty much all libertarians.

If you hold the opinion that he gives a shit about black people, good for you. I'm not convinced. He's made himself too risky in my eyes. I don't trust him. He should've had a little forethought while he was back in TX being a racist and publishing newsletters with racist content.

That's fine if you are not convinced, but please don't go around spreading untruths, or adding to speculation, or you are just as bad as the people who went around last election and spread lies about Obama's birth. If you have some solid evidence that Ron Paul is racist today, then by all means share it, and I'll personally disavow the man. This newsletter is not proof of anything, and Paul has disavowed it and apologized for it. Sure, it could be evidence that he was a racist, but there is no evidence that he holds these positions today (and I think the videos certainly show the opposite). We should be talking about facts when it comes to politics, not mindless speculation and rumour.

I'm not disappointed in him at all. I kinda like that he is conservative, politically, because it proves that atheism isn't a worldview, nor belief, mindset. It adds some color.

I'm not a conservative. I'm a libertarian. Please educate yourself in the difference.

Tiberius -- I, too, am rather offput by your apologetics.

You, of all people, should know that one is responsible for what one puts their name on and also understand that final editorial review is oft the forte of the guy who runs the operation (in context of publishing).

Right, and he's apologized for them, and disavowed them. I'll ask the same question I asked aleialoura (which she never answered): What more do you people want?

In any case, being associated with a group of racists even if one isn't racist is hardly favorable, no matter however you phrase it.

Indeed, which is why he has disavowed himself of these people. It's clearly an embarrassing moment from his past, which is probably why he doesn't like talking about it, and why should he? He's put it behind him; he's apologized for it. Others should too.

So while we lack him blatantly stating his vociferous dislike of whatever, we do have a clear and established pattern of hate material often associated with racist fringe groups appearing around Ron Paul.

And that is a massive concern for a man who would be President.

Correction: we have an unknown number of racist articles published in his newsletter 20 years ago, not seen since that time, and on top of that, we have the current Ron Paul campaigning for better treatment of minorities. Obama went to an apparently racist church for several years, and when that came up, he disavowed the church. This is a similar thing, except that apparently people will forgive Obama for anything, but they won't forgive Ron Paul, despite the fact he seems to be more proactive on minority rights than Obama.

[HeyItsZeus]

Aborting a baby is different from aborting an embryo... And they are rights because it's a permission granted by the state, whether you like it or not; in most states, anyway.

[Tiberius]

I suggest if you want to continue this discussion, we do it in the other abortion thread. I've outlined my objections to the above reason in there.

[HeyItsZeus]

I suggest if you want to continue this discussion, we do it in the other abortion thread. I've outlined my objections to the above reason in there.

I haven't been around the forums in a long time so I had no idea an abortion issue thread existed. Nevertheless, I kind of don't want to discuss it at the moment. I don't have the time currently to type up an elaborate argument but I promise you i'll make sure that in some point in the future I'll whoop your ass.

[houseofcantor]

I don't like him. Is he a racist? Probably. Is he a liar? Is he a politician?

What I don't like about him, is hearing otherwise good people suggesting I "check out Paul." I checked him out - he's a fucking dangerous nutbag - hardly a professional assessment, and if he becomes president and proves me wrong? Yay Paul! But I ain't putting him there.

[Autumnlicious]

Correction: we have an unknown number of racist articles published in his newsletter 20 years ago, not seen since that time, and on top of that, we have the current Ron Paul campaigning for better treatment of minorities. Obama went to an apparently racist church for several years, and when that came up, he disavowed the church. This is a similar thing, except that apparently people will forgive Obama for anything, but they won't forgive Ron Paul, despite the fact he seems to be more proactive on minority rights than Obama.

You'll note with me that I have little regard for Obama. In fact, I only hate Ron Paul a little more than Obama, because, unlike Ron Paul, President Obama has yet to advocate for dismantling the Civil Rights act, the entire economic system, the social safety nets, class action lawsuits, et al.

Second he does that, he becomes Ron Paul v2.