RE: Hello soulcalm17
July 25, 2024 at 10:35 pm
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I don’t mind. Take your time.
Also, you would have to explain what is in the Koran that makes it impossible for a human to write.
Is that your view of all religious texts?
What about other works of text form, such as the story of Superman?
What about scientific text?
What about music?
What about software?
What about short Youtube videos? Any videos?
Can you list ALL content that is made by the jewish? I understand that you want to include the Koran in that list.
You just need to mention what else. For now, you don’t have to substantiate it.
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I conclude that Quran is not human made, because:
-”Mamaha was famous for his 10,000 followers” (Rigveda 5:27:1);-”During Mamaha's time, new hymns (new shariah) would be composed and recited during services in place of the Vedas namely Jamat (congregation) and Salat (prayer)” ( Rigveda 1:109:2);
You may call this entity whatever you like (theist of course called it God), what is important is its atributes as I mentioned.
I don’t mind. Take your time.
Also, you would have to explain what is in the Koran that makes it impossible for a human to write.
Is that your view of all religious texts?
What about other works of text form, such as the story of Superman?
What about scientific text?
What about music?
What about software?
What about short Youtube videos? Any videos?
Can you list ALL content that is made by the jewish? I understand that you want to include the Koran in that list.
You just need to mention what else. For now, you don’t have to substantiate it.
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I conclude that Quran is not human made, because:
1. The writing style and composition is very distinctive and outperformed high ranked poem made by Arabs, that no poems or any literature in Arabic can equal it until present.
2. The texts itself compose of prophecies that are true. Rationally, human can not do prophecies.
3. The texts itself contains science facts that impossible people from that era to know.
Examples (All of these examples I quoted from “13 Scientific Facts from Holy Quran”)
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a. “Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them” (Quran, Al Anbiya’ 21:30)
This is the big bang theory.
b. “The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it” (Quran, Al Anbiya’ 21:104).
This fits in with the theory of Big Crunch which talks about how the universe will be pulled back into the black holes and again form a tiny mass.
c. We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)…” (Quran, Al Mu’minun 23:12-14).
This is embryology.
d. “And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away” (Quran, Al Anbiya’ 21:32).
It is a scientific fact that the sky, with all of its gasses, protects the earth and life that is present on it from the harmful rays of the sun. If there was no protective layer, life on earth would cease to exist as the temperature on earth would be freezing at -270.556°C, the same as the temperature in space.
e. “We sent down Iron with its great inherent strength and its many benefits for humankind” (Quran, Al Hadid 57:25)
Iron is not natural to the earth. Scientists state that billions of years ago, the earth was struck by meteorites. It was within these meteorites that iron was present and due to explosion on earth, we now have iron available to us. The Quran, as stated above, has already enlightened us of this fact by stating “We sent down iron with its great inherent strength…”.
f. “He released the two seas, meeting [side by side], Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses” (Quran, Ar Rahman 55:19-20)
Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier that divides them which helps both the seas maintain their own temperature, salinity, as well as density.
g. “And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming” (Quran, Al Anbiya’ 21:33)
Although it was only a widespread belief in the 20th century amongst the astronomers, today it is a well-established fact that the Sun, the Moon, and all the other bodies in the Universe are moving in an orbit and constantly moving, not stationary as commonly thought before.
h. “Have We not made the earth a resting place? And the mountains as stakes?” (Quran, Al Qiyamah 78:6-7)
In a book by geophysicist Frank Press called ‘Earth’ (1986), he explains how the mountains are like stakes and are buried deep within the earth’s surface. Mt. Everest which has a height of approximately 9 km above sea level has a root deeper than 125 km – thus only reinforcing the Quranic revelation of the importance and strength of mountains on our earth.
i. “And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander” (Quran, Adh Dhariyat 51:47)
According to the prominent physicist Stephen Hawking in his book ‘A Brief History of Time’, “The discovery that the universe is expanding was one of the great intellectual revolutions of the 20th century”, although centuries before the Quran had already revealed to us that in regards to the universe, “We are its expander”.
j. “We shall send those who reject our revelations to the (hell) fire. When their skins have been burned away, We shall replace them with new ones so that they may continue to feel the pain: God is almighty, all-wise” (Quran, An Nisa 4:56)
For a long time it was thought that the sense of feeling and pain was dependent on the brain. However, it has been discovered that there are pain receptors present in the skin. Without these pain receptors, a person would not be able to feel pain – another example of the scientific miracles of the Holy Quran.
k. “Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds – darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light – for him there is no light” (Quran, An Nur 24:40)
Incredibly, oceanographers have stated that unlike the belief that waves only occur on the surface, there are waves that take place internally in the oceans, below the surface of the water. Invisible to the human eye, these can only be detected through special equipment.
l. “No indeed! if he does not stop, We will seize him by the forehead, his lying, sinful forehead” (Quran, Al Alaq 96:15-16)
According to a book titled ‘Essentials of Anatomy and Physiology,’ it is clearly stated that the forehead or frontal area of the brain is responsible for motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements. All this takes place in the prefrontal area of the brain. The part of the brain that is responsible for movement and planning is said to be seized if he does not stop. Other studies have proved that it is this prefrontal region that is responsible for the function of lying.
So, you want other evidence besides the Quran, that the evidence is from God. Okay, I will mention it.
The evidence is in the Song of Solomon, the Gospel of Barnabas, the Vedas, and the Buddhist Scriptures, some of which I have mentioned in my previous posts. That each of the books mentions that there will be a Prophet named Muhammad. For the Song of Solomon, the Gospel of Barnabas, and the Vedas I have mentioned them. However, I think it is necessary to explain in more detail from the Vedas and also from the Buddhist scriptures.
The Prophecy of the Prophet Muhammad in the Hindu Scriptures
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This Source I got from “Zakir Naik: Nabi Muhammad disebut Dalam Kitab Hindu Berulang Kali (Zakir Naik: The Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in Hindu scriptures repeatedly)” in Baitulmaqdis.com
A. Prophecies in the Atharvaveda book:
1. “O people, hear this truly, Narashanga (the blessed One) will be raised among the people. We took the Kaurum (Muhajirin) under our protection from 60,000 and 90 enemies; whose vehicle was 20 camels and 2 female camels, had 12 wives, and ascended to the sky with the fastest vehicle (Bouraq)..." (Atharvaveda Kanda 20 Saukata 127, Mantra 1-2).
Narashangsa = The praised one = Muhammad. The word "Kauram" means "emigrant", namely people who leave their own country, in Arabic: "Muhajirin". Muhammad and his followers when they emigrated from Mecca to Medina to escape attacks by the Meccan infidels, numbering 60,000 people and their 90 tribal chiefs, were known as the "Muhajirin", while the people of Medina who welcomed them were known as the "Ansar". This is where the milestone begins for the Hijriyah Year (hijrah = move). The vehicles used by Muhammad were camels and horses. Muhammad had 12 wives, namely: Khadijah, Saudah, Aisyah, Hafsah, Zainah, Umm Salamah, Zainab, Juwairiah, Raihanah, Umm Habibah, Shafiah, and Maimunah. When performing the Mi'raj from the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Palestine to the 7th heaven, Muhammad rode a Bouraq which was his fastest vehicle.
2. “God will give Mamaha Rishi one hundred gold coins, ten necklaces, three hundred horses and 10,000 cows.” (Atharvaveda Kanda 20 Saukata 127, Mantra 3).
The word "Mamaha" etymologically comes from Arabic: "Muhammad" which means "praiseworthy one", while "Mamaha Rishi" is a nickname for Narashangsa, so that Mamaha Rishi = Narashangsa = Muhammad = Praiseworthy One. "One hundred pieces of gold" means one hundred followers of Muhammad, who spread the religion of Allah, called "Ash-Shabus Shuffah". "Ten necklaces" means ten people who always helped Muhammad in the war called "Asy-Syara Mubasysyara". "Three hundred horses" means the 300 troops led by Muhammad when they faced 700 infidel Meccan troops in the Battle of Badr (HG Wells, The Outline of History, 1949). "10,000 cows" means 10,000 followers of Muhammad when they entered the city of Mecca (630 AD) in a safe and peaceful condition, which is known as the "Fathu Makkah" event (Stanley Lane Poole, Speeches and Table Talks of the Prophet Mohammed, 1882).
3. – “Mamaha is a camel rider from the desert region”(Atharvaveda 20:9:31);
B. Prophecies in the Rigveda:
-”Mamaha was famous for his 10,000 followers” (Rigveda 5:27:1);-”During Mamaha's time, new hymns (new shariah) would be composed and recited during services in place of the Vedas namely Jamat (congregation) and Salat (prayer)” ( Rigveda 1:109:2);
C. The prophecies in the Bhagavata-Purana include:
“His father was named Vishnu-Yash.” (Bhagavata-Purana 12:2:18).
“He is adorned with eight qualities and riches, riding a fast horse (Bouraq) given to him by the angels and holding a sword in his hand, the savior of the world will destroy all evil.” (Bhagavata-Purana 12:2:19).
The “fast horse” was Bouraq and Muhammad always carried a sword and/or arrows when fighting. In the hadith book Sahih Imam Bukhari, from Anas he said: "I once saw the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) riding a horse with a sword hanging beside him." (Hadith Bukhari).
D. Prophecies in the Kalki-Purana:
"O God, together with four friends, I will destroy evil." (Kalki-Purana 2:5).
Muhammad had 4 friends who are famous until now who are called "Khulafaur Rasyidin" namely: Abu Bakar ash-Shidiq, Umar bin Khatab, Uthman bin 'Affan, and Ali bin Abu Talib.
"Kalki Avatar will be born in the city of Shambal, his mother is named Sumati, together with four of his friends will defeat Kali (devil/evil).... He will be assisted by angels on the battlefield." (Kalki-Purana 2:4-7).
“He was born on the 12th bright day, in the middle of the month of Madhav.” (Kalki-Purana 2:15).
The word “Shambhal” means: home of peace and security. Muhammad was born in the city of Mecca which is known as “Darul Aman” which also means: home of peace and security. His mother's name was "Sumati" which means: gentle and intelligent. Muhammad's mother's name was "Aminah" which also means: gentle. His father was named "Vishnu-Yash" which means: servant of God (Vishnu = God). Muhammad's father was named "Abdullah" which also means: servant of Allah/God. The "four friends" were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali. Kalki Avatar was assisted by angels on the battlefield. During the Battle of Badr, Muhammad was assisted by angels (QS. Al Imran: 123-125), also in the Battle of Khandaq, Muhammad was assisted by angels (QS. Al-Ahazab: 9). Kalki Avatar was born on the 12th day of Madhav month. Muhammad was also born on the 12th day, precisely the 12th of Rabiul Awwal, the Year of the Elephant (Before Hijriyah). So, Kalki Avatar is none other than Muhammad, while "Kalki Avatar" itself means: the cleanser of sins who came to the world.
For Buddhism, there are also predictions about the coming of the Prophet Muhammad as I explain below:
This source I got from Muhammad (peace be upon him) in Buddhist scriptures by Dr. Zakir Naik:
1. Buddha prophesised the advent of a Maitreya:
A) Almost all Buddhist books contain this prophecy. It is in Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III, 76: "There will arise in the world a Buddha named Maitreya (the benevolent one) a holy one, a supreme one, an enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe:
"What he has realized by his own supernatural knowledge he will publish to this universe. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at its climax, glorious at the goal, in the spirit and the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and thoroughly pure; even as I now preach my religion and a like life do proclaim. He will keep up the society of monks numbering many thousands, even as now I keep up a society of monks numbering many hundreds".
B) According to Sacred Books of the East volume 35 pg. 225: "It is said that I am not an only Buddha upon whom the leadership and order is dependent. After me another Buddha maitreya of such and such virtues will come. I am now the leader of hundreds, he will be the leader of thousands."
C) According to the Gospel of Buddha by Carus pg. 217 and 218 (From Ceylon sources): "Ananda said to the Blessed One, "Who shall teach us when thou art gone?" And the Blessed one replied, 'I am not the first Buddha who came upon the earth nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a holy one, a supremely enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths, which I have taught you. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax and glorious at the goal. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure such as I now proclaim. His disciples will number many thousands while mine number many hundreds.'
Ananda said, 'How shall we know him?'
The Blessed one replied, 'He will be known as Maitreya'."
(i) The Sanskrit word "Maitreya" or its equivalent in Pali "Metteyya" means loving, compassionate, merciful and benevolent. It also means kindness and friendliness, sympathy, etc. One Arabic word which is equivalent to all these words is "Rahmat". In Surah Al-Anbiya: "We sent thee not, but as a mercy for all creatures." [Al-Qur'an 21:107]
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was called the merciful, which is "Maitri".
(ii) The words Mercy and Merciful are mentioned in the Holy Qur'ân no less than 409 times.
(iii) Every chapter of the Glorious Qur'ân, except Chapter 9, i.e. Surah Taubah begins with the beautiful formula, 'Bismillah Hir-Rahman Nir-Rahim', which means 'In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful'.
(iv) The Word Muhammad is also spelt as 'Mahamet' or 'Mahomet' and in various other ways in different languages. The word 'Maho' or 'Maha' in Pali and Sanskrit mean Great and Illustrious and 'Metta' means mercy. Therefore 'Mahomet' means 'Great Mercy'.
2. Buddha's doctrine was Esoteric and Exoteric:
According to Sacred Books of the East, volume 11, pg. 36 Maha-Parinibbana Sutta chapter 2 verse 32:
"I have preached the truth without making any distinction between exoteric and esoteric doctrine, for in respect of truths, Ananda, the Tathagata has no such thing as the closed fist of a teacher, who keeps something back".
Muhammad (peace be upon him) on the commandment of Almighty God delivered the message and doctrine without making any distinction between esoteric and exoteric. The Qur'ân was recited in public in the days of the Prophet and is being done so till date. The Prophet had strictly forbidden the Muslims from hiding the doctrine.
3. Devoted Servitors of the Buddhas:
According to Sacred Books of the East volume 11 pg. 97 Maha-Parinibbana Sutta Chapter 5 verse 36: "Then the Blessed one addressed the brethren, and said, "Whosoever, brethren have been Arahat-Buddhas through the long ages of the past, they were servitors just as devoted to those Blessed ones as Ananda has been to me. And whosoever brethren shall be the Arahat-Buddhas of the future, there shall be servitors as devoted to those Blessed ones as Ananda has been to me"."
The Servitor of Buddha was Ananda. Muhammad (peace be upon him) also had a servitor by the name Anas (r.a.) who was the son of Malik. Anas (r.a...) was presented to the Prophet by his parents. Anas (r.a...) relates: "My mother said to him, 'Oh Messenger of God, here is your little servant'." Further Anas relates, "I served him from the time I was 8 years old and the Prophet called me his son and his little beloved". Anas (r.a...) stayed by the Prophet in peace and in war, in safety as well as in danger till the end of his life.
i) Anas (r.a.), even though he was only 11 years old stayed beside the Prophet during the battle of Uhud where the Prophet's life was in great danger.
ii) Even during the battle of Hunain when the Prophet was surrounded by the enemies who were archers, Anas who was only 16 years old stood by the Prophet.
Anas can surely be compared with Ananda who stood by Gautama Buddha when the mad elephant approached him.
4. Six Criteria for Identifying Buddha:
According to the Gospel of Buddha by Carus pg. 214:
"The Blessed one said, "There are two occasions on which a Tathagata's appearance becomes clear and exceedingly bright. In the night Ananda, in which a Tathagata attains to the supreme and perfect insight, and in the night in which he passes finally away in that ultra passing which leaves nothing whatever of his earthly existence to remain.' "
According to Gautam Buddha, following are the six criteria for identifying a Buddha.
i) A Buddha attains supreme and perfect insight at night-time.
ii) On the occasion of his complete enlightenment he looks exceedingly bright
iii) A Buddha dies a natural death.
iv) He dies at night-time.
v) He looks exceedingly bright before his death.
vi) After his death a Buddha ceases to exist on earth.
i) Muhammad (peace be upon him) attained supreme insight and Prophethood at night-time.
According to Surah Dukhan: "By the books that makes thing clear ? We sent it down during a blessed night." [Al-Qur'ân 44:2-3]
According to Surah Al-Qadar: "We have indeed revealed this (message) in the night of power." [Al-Qur'ân 97:1]
ii) Muhammad (peace be upon him) instantly felt his understanding illumined with celestial light.
iii) Muhammad (peace be upon him) died a natural death.
iv) According to Ayesha, Muhammad (peace be upon him) expired at night-time. When he was dying there was no oil in the lamp and his wife Ayesha (r.a.) had to borrow oil for the lamp.
v) According to Anas, Muhammad (peace be upon him) looked exceedingly bright in the night of his death.
vi) After the burial of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) he was never seen again in his bodily form on this earth.
5. Buddhas are only Preachers:
According to Dhammapada, Sacred Books of East volume 10 pg., 67:
"The Jathagatas (Buddhas) are only Preachers."
The Qur'ân says in Surah Ghashiya: "Therefore do thou give admonition, for thou art one to admonish. Thou art not one to manage (men's) affairs." [Al-Qur'ân 88:21-22]
6. Identification of Maitreya by Buddha:
According to Dhammapada, Mattaya Sutta, 151:
"The promised one will be:
i) Compassionate for the whole creation
ii) A messenger of peace, a peace-maker
iii) The most successful in the world.
The Maitreya as a Preacher of morals will be:
i) Truthful
ii) Self-respecting
iii) Gentle and noble
iv) Not proud
v) As a king to creatures
vi) An example to others in deeds and in words".
All of those books were written before the prophethood of Muhammad ﷺ coming.
Although the delivery uses human language, the content of the information in the holy books above concerns an object in the future. Because humans cannot possibly know the exact name of a person in the future, moreover the details of their mother's name, father's name, and other related things (as prophesied in the Hindu Book above), it can be concluded that humans get it from outside themselves.
Because there was information about the future, then there must be someone who makes that information. If someone makes it, it means there is an entity. This entity can convey messages. Indicating that this entity is alive and intelligent.
You may call this entity whatever you like (theist of course called it God), what is important is its atributes as I mentioned.