Democrat Conspiracy

[Thumpalumpacus]

Looking on these promises makes it clear that communist society is something akin to heavenly society and answer to how it would look like will depend on particular preacher inclinations.

Which only underlines the religiosity of these sorts of political beliefs.

[The Grand Nudger]

We'll never run out of ways to compare our political and religious beliefs. Fundamentally, they're the same type of belief. A belief about how the world ought to be which only makes sense in face of the fact that it is not. I doubt that a communist society would be a heavenly one in reality - and certainly not in the ideological world of american christianity. Would it be an improvement for the lives of many? Certainly - but that's more a comment on how debased some lives are than how effective the ideology is at governance in practice.

As for russia. I think we can draw a line between communism, and the effort to sell some other thing -as- communism. The utilitarian value of peoples desire for what they rightly or wrongly see as a "society of heaven". Thus... russias failures are it's own, and not communism's..properly. Same with any random hate preacher that tries to moderate their product in order to appeal to a larger market share by peppering their antimajoritarian views with populist appeals.

[Ivan Denisovich]

Looking on these promises makes it clear that communist society is something akin to heavenly society and answer to how it would look like will depend on particular preacher inclinations.

Which only underlines the religiosity of these sorts of political beliefs.

Exactly. Marxism-Leninism was just millenarian for those disliking christianity.

[Ivan Denisovich]

We'll never run out of ways to compare our political and religious beliefs.  Fundamentally, they're the same type of belief.  A belief about how the world ought to be which only makes sense in face of the fact that it is not.  I doubt that a communist society would be a heavenly one in reality - and certainly not in the ideological world of american christianity.  Would it be an improvement for the lives of many?  Certainly - but that's more a comment on how debased some lives are than how effective the ideology is at governance in practice.

I have no doubt at all that communist society wouldn't be heavenly (assuming heavenly equals good). What's more I doubt that it would be improvement over current system. Remember, there is no state under communism so closest really existing equivalent would be failed state and life in such isn't all that good.

As for russia.  I think we can draw a line between communism, and the effort to sell some other thing -as- communism.  The utilitarian value of peoples desire for what they rightly or wrongly see as a "society of heaven".  Thus... russias failures are it's own, and not communism's..properly.  Same with any random hate preacher that tries to moderate their product in order to appeal to a larger market share by peppering their antimajoritarian views with populist appeals.

Russia or Soviet Union failed on it's own. As for communism it really can't be talked about in this way - I mean saying that something was fault or failure of communism is like saying that something was fault or failure of heaven. Communism is the end goal of followers of Marx thought, or rather of subset of them. If we want to talk about faults and failures then we should talk about both Marxism and Marxism-Leninism, not communism. Communism never was (and can't really be as Trotsky ramblings in my previous post should show) and thus is blameless, though obviously one can argue that belief in possibility of building it was a crime or idiocy.

[Sheldon]

The administration you support has purposely lied to Biden supporters by trying to hide his condition, 

A raft of assumptions there, but the more startling news is that people in power lying is a problem to you?

Aren't you a supporter to the Donald? I may have some disconcerting news for you...

Do you really think that after all his public flubs and spills, that they were taken totally by surprise during the debate?

I don't know of course, but totally seems implausible to me. 

 I want to know who's running things behind the scenes.

What do you mean by "running things"? You know the President of the US has staff right? I can't say I noticed Kamala Harris being sworn in under the 25th amendment, I'm pretty sure I'd remember that. Do you think perhaps your love of rhetoric, combined with your bile towards the Democratic party, might be causing this hyperbolic representation of events?

Lek

I note you're not mentioning Trump's clear and extremely obvious mental decline over the past few years.

Or his lies.

Or his rhetoric.

Or...

...so many other things.

Why do you mention it about one guy but ignore it in your own guy?

Sorry. I don't see that.

Hmm, how did you phrase it now...

Lek
"you would have to be away to Mars to not notice."

It seems on this at least we are in partial agreement.

[Disagreeable]

Here in the UK we have the National Health Service. Is that an example of the socialization of health care?

[Mister Agenda]

Yep, and it's way better than our system. Medical care in the UK isn't their number one cause of bankruptcy, for one.

[Fireball]

Here in the UK we have the National Health Service. Is that an example of the socialization of health care?

Looks that way to a very large percentage of the US' population. Many of them have and collect Social Security and Medicare, too. It boggles my mind.

[Disagreeable]

Yep, and it's way better than our system. Medical care in the UK isn't their number one cause of bankruptcy, for one.

And the NHS needs more funding!

[Disagreeable]

It seems to me that socialization should extend to all human rights and maybe the best society is a combination of socialization and capitalism.