Democrat Conspiracy

[Mister Agenda]

To be less glib, social services aren't socialism. In most courntries it's capitalizm with a safety net, not state ownership of the means of production.

[Disagreeable]

Or it's a combination of both value systems?

[Ivan Denisovich]

To be less glib, social services aren't socialism.

This I suppose is generally obvious to anyone not far right.

In most courntries it's capitalizm with a safety net, not state ownership of the means of production.

Under socialism means of production would be under the control of workers. State owning such is simply state capitalism I think.

[Ivan Denisovich]

Or it's a combination of both value systems?

Not really. Socialism would have means of production in the hands of proletariat. Currently there is no country in which such thing happened if I'm not mistaken; it's capitalism everywhere simply more or less constrained.

Also neither welfare programs nor socialized healthcare are socialism as socialism is about owning means of production (and perhaps being prelude to communism if we don't use terms interchangeably).

[Disagreeable]

I've heard that Star Trek is the closest example of pure socialism

[Ivan Denisovich]

I've heard that Star Trek is the closest example of pure socialism  

Problem with socialism is such that it is ill defined beast. To be frank best thing to do about it is to left it in dustbin of history and ask why right wing tries to create shitstorm about system that is long dead and buried. Calling all manner of things "socialist" isn't being done willy-nilly but with agenda so instead of reacting to idiocy spoken about socialism by people who wouldn't recognize it if it would bitch slap them working class should simply start to ask pointed questions about distribution of wealth or tax avoidance by "elites".

[Pat Mustard]

I see that Brave Sir @Lek has bravely run away again, again.

A Monty Python reference, I like that. 

The Holy Grail?

Brave Sir Robin.

I use it for Ron de Santis too, brave Sir Ronda.

[The Grand Nudger]

I've heard that Star Trek is the closest example of pure socialism  

Problem with socialism is such that it is ill defined beast. To be frank best thing to do about it is to left it in dustbin of history and ask why right wing tries to create shitstorm about system that is long dead and buried.  Calling all manner of things "socialist" isn't being done willy-nilly but with agenda so instead of reacting to idiocy spoken about socialism by people who wouldn't recognize it if it would bitch slap them working class should simply start to ask pointed questions about distribution of wealth or tax avoidance by "elites".

Because the reich wing recognizes that people..especially in their own base, desire what socialism proffers.  Fuckers couldn't make it any more clear.  They wanna make donald king so he can start doling out the white welfare.  Coopt the message, demonize the messenger - loot.

[Silver]

Don't let the republican yap-yap fool you. They love illegal immigration, because it's cheaper labor.

[arewethereyet]

Don't let the republican yap-yap fool you. They love illegal immigration, because it's cheaper labor.

How many of the GOP have an immigrant cleaning their toilets and mowing their lawns?

I can't drive a block in my neighborhood without seeing a crew of Hispanics doing yard work and most of our (the company I work for) are also Hispanic.