Americans: Have You Thought About How You Will Cope if Trump Wins?

[europeanatheist]

Incredible luck, I'm both things.  

Would you consider this viewpoint left wing, centrist, right wing (or..other, you know, like purely pragmatic)

Do not know, I define myself as "center wing extremist"

[europeanatheist]

Negotiating with fascists dictators only emboldens them. Europe should increase help to Ukraine so it can fuck up this "Upper Volta with rockets" properly and made sure it will be to weak to even think about aggression in the future. Fascists don't understand language other than power and even this is something they only comprehend when they're thoroughly beaten.

This we should have done way long ago, I do not know if it is the right answer now. More likely, if we freeze the situation now Russia is anyway so "almost" in bankrupt, we should keep sanctions in place and the oligarchs will eat Putin because they lost money and they cannot make them again.
In the end, Russian state is ruled by a gang of mafia bosses, and the lower bosses will kill the godfather if the godfather is not able to guarantee their economic interests

[Ivan Denisovich]

Negotiating with fascists dictators only emboldens them. Europe should increase help to Ukraine so it can fuck up this "Upper Volta with rockets" properly and made sure it will be to weak to even think about aggression in the future. Fascists don't understand language other than power and even this is something they only comprehend when they're thoroughly beaten.

This we should have done way long ago, I do not know if it is the right answer now. More likely, if we freeze the situation now Russia is anyway so "almost" in bankrupt, we should keep sanctions in place and the oligarchs will eat Putin because they lost money and they cannot make them again.
In the end, Russian state is ruled by a gang of mafia bosses, and the lower bosses will kill the godfather if the godfather is not able to guarantee their economic interests

Why not? Better to help Ukrainians break this shithole than eternally endure deathbed convulsions of sick man of Europe. "Freezing" the situation can help former kgb spook, bombing him back to stone age (obviously) won't so choice is clear to me. russia has been allowed to run unchecked for far too long and now it should be reminded that wage of sin is death (of it's soldiers).

[Nanny]

I'm moderately liberal

[Mister Agenda]

Maybe schadenfreude will give me some comfort. Many of the consequences of electing Trump will fall on people who voted for him.

[Ivan Denisovich]

Maybe schadenfreude will give me some comfort. Many of the consequences of electing Trump will fall on people who voted for him.

If consequence of electing fascists to office would fall only on dupes who elected them world would be far better place.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think that alot of ukranians would have a problem with the idea that they had to die and be occupied so that we could bankrupt russia, so I'm not really sure we get to decide any such thing. How many more Buchas are we talking here?

As far as it concerns american domestic politics, I somehow doubt that a man who made his nut laundering russian money through new york real estate and who's repeatedly expressed admiration for putin is going to think that's a good idea. IIRC, he was super excited to tell russian officials that the pressure was off since he shitcanned comey. Wouldn't be long until he'd make his perfect phone call to ukraine, hoping to extort them over desperately needed gear.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and...as loathe as I am to ask...say we cut ukraine off, totally, and they keep fighting? Is that when the whole "nato should bomb ukraine" thing is to come into play?

[europeanatheist]

sorry I tried to write while I was on the phone, I have not been clear.
I do supporto 100% Ukraine in the war and we should give more help. However, the current russian propaganda in the EU (and Russians are masters of propaganda, via bot, internet troll factories etc) is "look at northstream, it was bombed by ukraine on behalf of the US, the US since 10 years kept on threatening Germany that they will never open it and ultimately they destroyed it, now energy is fucking expensive, US is the profoteur sicne it sells LNG in EU and you eurppeans have been spanked and can only say to your US master Thank you sir may I have another spank"
If we are conversely opened and say "yes, Ukraine bombed the northstream in accord with the US to remove Russian influence from Europe" it is more open and remove steam from Russian propaganda

[Ivan Denisovich]

sorry I tried to write while I was on the phone, I have not been clear.
I do supporto 100% Ukraine in the war and we should give more help. However, the current russian propaganda in the EU (and Russians are masters of propaganda, via bot, internet troll factories etc) is "look at northstream, it was bombed by ukraine on behalf of the US, the US since 10 years kept on threatening Germany that they will never open it and ultimately they destroyed it, now energy is fucking expensive, US is the profoteur sicne it sells LNG in EU and you eurppeans have been spanked and can only say to your US master Thank you sir may I have another spank"
If we are conversely opened and say "yes, Ukraine bombed the northstream in accord with the US to remove Russian influence from Europe" it is more open and remove steam from Russian propaganda

russian propaganda should be disregarded for clownish idiocy it is, not given even slightest attention.

As for removing steam from said propaganda it would require effort to educate citizens. It can't be done in short term - as long as there are idiots idiotic propaganda will be able to catch them.